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Re: [atlarge-discuss] bucharest meeting
Eric and all stakeholders or interested parties,
eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
> Ron,
>
> I have always been a strong advocate of face to face meetings. I am in
> fact on
> the road
> half of my life to accomplish face to face meetings.
This is of course totally unnecessary with Internet Video conferencing,
which makes face to face meetings much less travel intensive...
>
>
> But if my company only had enough money to buy a server we needed or to
> send me
> to
> Bucharest I would buy the server. As it is they only have enough to
> send me to
> eight destinations
> in Asia, and I only have enough time to be one place at a time.
Sounds like you need a staff or assistant. BTW, didn't you get
and executive assistant just a few months ago?
>
>
> Now with that said if attending a meeting rather than buying a server
> would
> result in enough
> income to buy ten servers I would go to Bucharest. I am simply trying
> to make
> the priorities
> clear. If someone like, oh say Joop asked you for money to attend
> wouldn't you
> want a
> specific agenda and an objective - not schmoozing. If the org was set
> up to
> take money I would rather
> give him the same money to run elections and the site for two months.
With some 35k+ registrations as say $5.00 per, it would along with the
$5m that goes along with whomever gets the bid, that the gaining new
registry will be making a nice piece of change...
>
> If I were
> Jamie I would spend
> the money to hire a hot new young lawyer and draft the best voting
> rules,
> by-laws and articles and open
> an account.
As I made note of some time ago, I already set up an account for
ICANNATLARGE.COM. It is a matter of getting the necessary
legal work done and registered and a CFO determined that is left
to be done...
>
>
> The next point I want to be real clear on is mandate and personal
> agendas and
> mission creep.
> We have not elected any "representatives". The panel has not elected
> any
> representatives.
> Anyone attending Bucharest and indicating a right to represent this
> group would
> be lying.
Good point here. This would cast a huge shadow of discontent and
doubt upon the legitimacy on ICANNATLARGE.COM should the
"Panel" attempt to represent the ICANNATLARGE.COM members
as their representatives.
>
>
> Sorry Ron but given the history of attempted and experimental "internet
> governance"
> it requires that these lines not be blurred or there is no reason for an
> at-large.
> A great example is Karl's integrity in not claiming to represent ICANN.
> A good
> example in the
> negative is Sims seamless floating about that he does.
>
> This may seem not very nice but clearly the devil is in the details.
Indeed quite true.
>
>
> Eric
>
> Ron Sherwood wrote:
>
> > Dear fellow at-largers:
> >
> > The recent postings chastising the panel members who are trying to set
> > up a couple of face to face meetings in Bucharest are, in my opinion, very
> > negative about what could be a very positive experience.
> >
> > I have not seen any one of the Interim Panelists pretending to represent
> > the at-large group, although even a token representation of the
> > about-to-be-formed organization would be better than pretending that we do
> > not exist at all. And who better to do that than members of the panel
> > democratically elected to create and legitimize our mandate and electoral
> > process. Surely there is enormous benefit to be gained from meeting ones
> > colleagues face-to-face. It is by far the major benefit of any conference.
> >
> > I would very much like to be able to meet the people that contribute to
> > this discuss list and who are working to bring our organization into being.
> > Unfortunately, I am not able to attend this conference, but I do not hold
> > that against those who do spend the time and money that it takes to make the
> > trip, and who will report back to the rest of us. And I certainly would not
> > disparage them as "high rollers".
> >
> > I encourage any member of our fledgling organization to attend Bucharest
> > if you can. If it is not possible, then please thank those of us who do
> > make the trip and wish them well in their endeavors to learn of the forces
> > we face and to keep us informed.
> >
> > Ron Sherwood
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > To: <eric@hi-tek.com>
> > Cc: "James Love" <james.love@cptech.org>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] bucharest meeting
> >
> > > Eric and all stakeholders or interested parties,
> > >
> > > I think it is now too late for ICANNATLARGE.COM to be prepaired
> > > for Bucharest. Too much time has been wasted away.. :(
> > >
> > > eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Somebody clue me in as to why are we scheduling anything in connection
> > with an
> > > > ICANN meeting at this point. We have no consensus on position, we have
> > no
> > > > elected advocates and we have no agenda.
> > > >
> > > > I would suggest all you high rollers who want to attend spend your money
> > on
> > > > incorporating, setting up a bank account and raising more funds for
> > world wide
> > > > elections. The AL is not even a slated matter for voting of the BoD.
> > > > I do not recall electing anyone to go be my lobbyist. We elected an
> > > > organizational panel not representatives of our desire. Wow talk about
> > > > exceeding mission. I suggest you guys take a deep breath and look at
> > what you
> > > > were elected to do and do it and forget about Bucharest, it does not
> > concern
> > > > you.
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > > James Love wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I arrive late tuesday.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Vittorio Bertola" <vb@vitaminic.net>
> > > > > To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:43 AM
> > > > > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] bucharest meeting
> > > > >
> > > > > We will possibly have the following slots to meet in a room (which we
> > would
> > > > > get for free) in Bucharest:
> > > > > - Tuesday 5pm (perhaps 4:30) to 6pm - already confirmed
> > > > > - Wednesday 5pm-6pm - still to be confirmed
> > > > >
> > > > > If we get both slots, I'd like to have a public presentation and
> > discussion
> > > > > about icannatlarge.com on Wednesday, when possibly more people will be
> > able
> > > > > to attend, and to use Tuesday for a face to face discussion among all
> > of us
> > > > > who will be there about how to practically proceed - Bylaws, elections
> > etc.
> > > > > --
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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