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Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] 006 Deciding Name - Resolution and Recommendation to Members
Michael and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
Thank you Michael for following up on what I was trying to
get across to Joanna and other panel members as well as the
membership for about two weeks now. I realize that Joanna
doesn't seem to wish to discuss this issue with me and it also
seems that she may be reluctant to do so now with the
members as well.
Again many thanks for you follow-up here Michael! Well done! >:)
Michael Geist wrote:
> Joanna,
>
> We should absolutely ensure that there is membership support for the
> organization's name. If the membership wants something without
> ICANN, I'll support that choice.
>
> That said, your response leaves me genuinely puzzled. On Sunday you
> sent an email to the panel asking them to indicate their preference
> for three names -- icannatlarge, internetatlarge, and worldatlarge.
> The following day you now indicate that "ICANN must go" and that "We
> have two options on the table here - WorldAtLarge and
> InternetAtLarge."
>
> What has changed in 24 hours such that one of the choices has been
> removed? We haven't heard from the entire panel, much less the
> membership. Was the inclusion of icannatlarge as a choice a good
> faith choice? When you say that "I would not be doing my job if I
> were to allow one side to rule this organization at the expense of
> the other", isn't that possibly exactly what you're doing when you
> say that ICANN is off the table before everyone is heard from?
>
> MG
>
> > > From: Michael Geist [mailto:mgeist@netcom.ca]
> >> I would prefer to deal with a name change when/if that comes to pass.
> >> For now, ICANN = Internet governance and we need to play in the
> >> sandbox.
> >
> >
> >Michael,
> >I don't think you're right on this one. We have members such as yourself and
> >Hans who quite obviously believe the action should remain with ICANN. That's
> >valid, but nevertheless, ought not to override the interests of others who
> >feel differently. For a start, the majority of ICANN's GA voted for going
> >over the top of ICANN's head and approaching the DoC directly to have the
> >ICANN contracts rebid. Now, whether or not you agree with that, I would not
> >be doing my job if I were to allow one side to rule this organization at the
> >expense of the other.
> >
> >My mission is to try to hold this together and there is no way I can do that
> >if you alienate half the membership by the choice of name. ICANN must go,
> >but remains very much a part of the group in the WG-ICANN subset. Those who
> >oppose having anything more to do with ICANN have already compromised in
> >allowing the "AT Large" part of the name to go forward. If you and Hans will
> >also compromise on the ICANN part, then I think we can make this work.
> >
> >We have two options on the table here - WorldAtLarge and InternetAtLarge. I
> >agree that the mission should be focused on Internet Governance, so for me,
> >WorldAtLarge is a little broad, and might invite the group to be distracted
> >by people who would like to see us distracted.
> >
> >For me the "InternetAtLarge" is a excellent choice - and to counter Hans's
> >point that it is too much of a change from what we have now, I disagree. In
> >short form it's still IAL. The initial "I" takes the first Initial letter of
> >ICANN and spells it out, so the only thing that it is being lost here is
> >"Corporation of Assigned Names and Numbers". A change of the kind Hans is
> >talking about would be say, Govern.net, which was also another suggestion on
> >the table.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >Joanna
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > > To explicitly operate outside ICANN, it is to be so far
> >> >> outside that process as to not matter at all.
> >> >
> >> >What then of CIRA and other non-icann-branded constituencies?
> >> >
> >>
> >> CIRA and other cc's are not about ICANN nor does it seek a direct
> >> voice on ICANN in the same way that at-large does. While ICANN
> >> issues are discussed by the board, it is hardly a key focus.
> >>
> >> MG
> >> --
> >> **********************************************************************
> >> Professor Michael A. Geist
> >> University of Ottawa Law School, Common Law Section
> >> 57 Louis Pasteur St., P.O. Box 450, Stn. A, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5
> >> Tel: 613-562-5800, x3319 Fax: 613-562-5124
> >> mgeist@uottawa.ca http://www.lawbytes.ca
> >>
> >> BNA's Internet Law News - http://www.bna.com/ilaw
> >> G & M Cyberlaw column - http://www.globetechnology.com
> >> Internet Law Text - http://www.captus.com/Information/inetlaw-flyer.htm
> > > Canadian Internet Law Resource Page (CILRP) at: http://www.cilrp.org/
> >> ICANN UDRP Info at http://www.udrpinfo.com
> >>
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> Professor Michael A. Geist
> University of Ottawa Law School, Common Law Section
> 57 Louis Pasteur St., P.O. Box 450, Stn. A, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5
> Tel: 613-562-5800, x3319 Fax: 613-562-5124
> mgeist@uottawa.ca http://www.lawbytes.ca
>
> BNA's Internet Law News - http://www.bna.com/ilaw
> G & M Cyberlaw column - http://www.globetechnology.com
> Internet Law Text - http://www.captus.com/Information/inetlaw-flyer.htm
> Canadian Internet Law Resource Page (CILRP) at: http://www.cilrp.org/
> ICANN UDRP Info at http://www.udrpinfo.com
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