RE: [atlarge-discuss] 003 WG-WEB.mailinglists

[Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>]

Richard,
I sympathise. This falls under the TOR for WG-WEB because it's quite a lot
to sort out. Let's make it a priority. Here's my thoughts:-

Assuming the members will receive a monthly newsletter at some point,
WG-Outreach can solicit help using that, or should you wish to target
specific regions, members from that region can be isolated into a separate
sublist to which your invitation could be targeted. We have to be careful
not to spam, but I would not view this in that category, so as far as I am
concerned, you could do this any time you like, or you could wait until we
have at least a name and mailing list for you.

Some aspects can be resolved by improving the sign up page, so that when
people join, they can opt-into various add-on features, such as news about a
particular region's activity. In that way, you would open the door to two
way communication with those willing to be more active, enabling them to
contact you and volunteer, as well as indicating they are receptive to
receiving your communications.


Regards,
Joanna



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 4:08 PM
> To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...clarification.
>
>
> Don't worry! I didn't misunderstand you at all Joanna! On the question of
> people who receive the member details, if these include e-mail/contact
> details, then I feel our Outreach WG has perhaps the strongest case for
> being given some kind of access to this list - as we may well be
> involved in
> trying to make contact with individuals in each country, as soon as
> possible. Commonsense suggests we should not just be passive but should
> proactively set out to make contact, to encourage, and to personalise the
> organisation.
>
> This could be done either by simply holding the list in trust, or
> else by a
> protocol whereby we can forward e-mails to a list-holder who in turn
> forwards the mail to specific individuals.
>
> This whole matter of [who has access to members e-mails / and
> confidentiality] needs to be sorted out as soon as possible, so
> we can push
> forward with Outreach. What are the views of the panel and membership.
>
> One "common-sense" solution I have is to mail the entire
> membership and ask
> them what level of contact they are willing to share with the
> organisation.
> This could range from: (a) my e-mail can be sent in a list to all other
> members (b) my e-mail may be given to regional or national
> co-ordinators for
> news on developments in my area (c) my e-mail may be given to the
> individual
> responsible for posting centralised news only (d) my e-mail may be given
> only to those persons responsible for votes and elections (as
> required to be
> a member).
>
> So each member could be asked to place a [X] against one or more options,
> and we're then ready to roll (plus we're respecting members' wishes and
> getting a pretty good idea of which members really want to get
> involved). In
> addition, members could be reminded that it's pretty easy to get
> a discreet
> web-based mail account for this kind of purpose.
>
> I think we need to develop a proactive policy about membership details
> because we need to network and communicate. The key is the
> local/national/regional liaison, and I hope as many members as possible
> could be encouraged to provide an e-mail address for a regional
> co-ordinator/group/national rep to develop contacts, build up community.
>
> For example, I have volunteered to be UK representative, and I have the
> names of all the UK members, but it's pretty nutty if I can't get in touch
> with them. Sure, I can by-pass that by building up other groups and
> communities, but when we already have a membership, it makes
> sense to start
> by involving them (as far as they want to be involved).
>
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>
> To: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>; J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> <jefsey@club-internet.fr>; Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...clarification.
>
>
> > clarification ...."The same goes for WG-OUTREACH." make that "The same
> goes
> > for WG-OUTREACH which Richard is coordinating"....it could be read as if
> I'm
> > intending to coordinate that group, which is not what I meant to say.
> >
> > Apologies.
> > Joanna
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joanna Lane [mailto:jo-uk@rcn.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:42 PM
> > > To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin; Joop Teernstra;
> > > atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
> > >
> > >
> > > Jefsey,
> > > Forgive me, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Let me
> > > be quite clear about our position at this time.
> > >
> > > 1. We are in the process of a deciding the name by which the
> > > organization will be known, ONE NAME to replace ICANNAtLarge.com.
> > > Notwithstanding that regional branches or indeed issue based
> > > groups may self-organize and build other sites with their own
> > > regional identities and domain names, these will all be
> > > hyperlinked from the main URL that incorporates the new
> > > organization name, once selected. The organization can then be
> > > truly global, with a corporate identity scheme and consistent
> > > standards, such as membership criteria - citizenship vs.
> > > residency, ID verification and so on.
> > >
> > > 2. This is why the WG's are being set up, each of which will have
> > > a separate Mailing List, with hyperlinked archives from the main
> > > site. WG-WEB is not yet ready to commence work and it is my
> > > intention to coordinate that group once the organization name is
> > > known and the mailing lists available. The same goes for
> > > WG-OUTREACH. Very little can be done by Richard until he knows
> > > the name and has the mailing list. It's August. People are away.
> > > Things will move faster next week.
> > >
> > > 3. The Panel approved the Timeline and schedule to enable the
> > > membership to be solicited this week for suggestions for the
> > > name, then vote on the selection next week. I have issued the
> > > call to the discuss list and one additional name has been put
> > > forward that meets the criterai set down by the Panel, but I
> > > cannot proceed with soliciting the whole membership until I have
> > > an agreed return address for submissions and ballot papers.
> > >
> > > Which brings me to a question for Joop. Who receives replies sent
> > > to news@icannatlarge.com? Is that the best return address for
> > > submissions/ votes given that only 10% are subscribed to the
> > > Discuss List?
> > >
> > > Also, can you please include me on the list of those to whom you
> > > Escrow the member details. In fact, I'd like to see a copy of the
> > > current list please.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joanna
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 3:06 AM
> > > > To: Joop Teernstra; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 02:39 14/08/02, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > > >My first choice would be icannatlarge.org, currently held by
> > > > elected panel
> > > > >member Jefsey Morfin.
> > > > >Jefsey could provide a re-direct to our current web presence.
> > > > >We should think twice before abandoning the recognition
> (1650 google
> > > > >links) that we have built up so far.
> > > > >Why keep the "icann" string?
> > > > >Because icann, like it or not, is our defining battle ground.
> > > >
> > > > There is NO need for a change, choice, decision.
> > > >
> > > > There is only a lack of understanding by some of:
> > > >
> > > > 1. what we need: a legal name to incorporate a secretariat and
> > > a banking
> > > > account
> > > >
> > > > 2. what we already have: a global name "@large"
> > > >
> > > > 3. what is an internet name.
> > > > This NOT because some want the current site to be accessed
> > > through a name
> > > > or another that it cannot be accessed with other names
> (aliases if no
> > > > dedicated IP address), with every other names (if having a dedicated
> IP
> > > > address).
> > > >
> > > > If this situation is not solved asap, here is what I propose:
> > > > 1. I do not understand who is currently in charge of the
> > > WG-SITE - I was
> > > > while Joanna was on transfer. But I will set-up
> > http://website.atlarge.ws
> > > with a mailing list everyone interested may join.
> > > 2. we will put a link on http://atlarge.ws and request one to Joop on
> > > http://icannatlarge.com/org
> > > 3. we will work on a solution asap
> > > 4. we will write a FAQ to explain exactly what it means so
> everyone can
> > > understand.
> > >
> > > I really have a huge personnal work load, so please allow me some
> > > sleep. I
> > > will try to have that up and running in the comming day or so.
> > > The problem
> > > is also the DNS propagation and VRSN updates while may nameservers are
> > > changing IPs.
> > > Cheers.
> > > jfc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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