Re: [atlarge-discuss] Our New Name Isn't...

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Chris and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

NameCritic wrote:

> You missed the point completely. When forming a seperate organization you
> don't include another organization in it's name because you tie your fate to
> theirs. This is not part of ICANN, therefore the name is deceiving, and
> limits us in our scope if ICANN should cease to exist.

  Norbert, Chris is right ot a point on this point.  Although he is a bit
to final in his analysis.

>
>
> What we do is our purpose. What we are called is our name. Please attempt to
> seperate those two things in your mind.
>
> Name recognition takes years to build. If ICANN was not around in one year
> we would be considering a name change at that time, then we would have lost
> one year in building our own name recognition.
>
> I simply propose that this organization have it's own name. That doesn't
> seem like something that should be fought so hard against by a couple of
> people.

  I agree.  But I also agree more that sense the members have voted
and decided what that name should be, we should now move forward
with what we have that was determined by a democratic process.


>
>
> Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norbert Klein" <nhklein@gmx.net>
> To: "NameCritic" <chris1@telnor.net>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Our New Name Isn't...
>
> > > My biggest problem with using the name that contains ICANN in it is that
> > > ICANN was given one year to clean up their act by the DoC. Let's assume,
> a
> > > really small assumption, that ICANN doesn't clean up their act, and
> let's
> > > assume, this time a really big assumption, that the DoC actually does
> shut
> > > them down, then we're stuck with a name that means nothing.
> > >
> > > Plan on being around even if ICANN isn't, or do you want to tie our fate
> > > to
> > > theirs?
> > >
> > > Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> >
> > I don't follow.
> >
> > Let us tie our fate to whatever the place is where the fight for
> democratic
> > control over the tasks given at present to ICANN may be - with an ICANN
> after
> > one more year, of following wherever the struggle for this bottom-up
> > structure moves. But the struggle is about this structure, not about some
> philosophy
> > not related to this real battle.
> >
> > With the argument you propose, the 1000 people who subscribed might have
> > said: better do nothing, and surely not subscribe to ICANNatlarge, because
> we
> > dont like the present direction of ICANN, and maybe the DoC will stop it
> > anyway.
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> > --
> > Norbert Klein
> > Open Forum of Cambodia: www.forum.org.kh
> >
>
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