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Re: [atlarge-discuss] web site
Chris and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
Because ICANNATLARGE.ORG is NOT on hold. That's why.
Do a Whois, as I have already posted the results on twice now to
this forum and read the results completely. Than do a Whois
on the Name servers for ICANNATLARGE.ORG. You will
than see that the name is not on hold, but it's name servers are
misconfigured. Just that simple.
NameCritic wrote:
> Again Jeff, you speak without all the facts. The domain name
> IcannAtLarge.org IS on hold. Quit posting otherwise. It is confusing to some
> members and simply a false statement. Links have been posted for you so you
> could see for yourself that it is listed as an on hold domain name, but you
> refuse to accept this. Why?
>
> Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin"
> <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] web site
>
> > Richard and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> >
> > Richard Henderson wrote:
> >
> > > For goodness sakes listen to Jefsey because he's talking good sense -
> he's
> > > thinking strategically and looking ahead in terms of structure and
> > > procedures for operation.
> > >
> > > As for icannatlarge.org - it's "On Hold" and it's pretty clear NSI has
> put
> > > it on hold.
> >
> > This is untrue. ICANNATLARGE.ORG is not on hold, but has
> > a misconfigured Name server therefore is not resolvable presently.
> > See the following:
> > Domain Name: ICANNATLARGE.ORG
> > Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
> > Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
> > Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
> > Name Server: NS1.PCODE.COM
> > Name Server: NS1.CODELOCAL.COM
> > Updated Date: 29-sep-2002
> >
> >
> > >>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 3 Oct 2002
> 16:58:06 EDT
> > <<<
> >
> > The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG,
> > .EDU domains and Registrars.
> >
> > Domain not found locally, but Registry points back to
> local DB.
> >
> > Local WHOIS DB must be out of date.
> >
> > ===========
> >
> > > I maintain that the best way forward is to adopt the second
> > > place name www.atlarge.org which is hopefully active and readily
> accessible.
> > > It also represents a non-icann name which I believe the majority of
> people
> > > originally opted for.
> > >
> > > What is needed is a clarification from the membership as to whether they
> > > want "ICANN" in our name, and whether they would be prepared to adopt
> > > www.atlarge.org as a best practical way forward.
> >
> > The DN ATLARGE.ORG is already registered to Mark Schniders,
> > See:
> > Registrant:
> > Venster
> > Laan van Vollenhove 1733
> > Zeist, 3706 GH
> > NL
> >
> > Domain Name: ATLARGE.ORG
> >
> > Administrative Contact:
> > Schneiders, Marc marc@schneiders.org
> > Laan van Vollenhove 1733
> > Zeist, 3706 GH
> > NL
> > 31 30 6992825
> >
> > Technical Contact:
> > Schneiders, Marc domadmin@venster.nl
> > Treublaan 14
> > Zeist, Utrecht 3705 CZ
> > NL
> > +31 30 6992825
> > Fax: +31 30 6990151
> > ==========================
> >
> > Has he at any time mad it clear that he will turn this Domain name over
> > to the members without conditions? As far as I know he hasn't.
> > Hence choosing that DN would be a mistake up-front without knowing
> > that he would.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > This name is neater in terms of the structure and strategy which Jefsey
> > > agrees to set in place if we wish.
> > >
> > > All I'm asking is an immediate review of the status of icannatlarge.org
> > > (currently locked and on hold)
> >
> > No it is not on hold it has a misconfigured Name server.
> >
> > > and a simple YES or NO vote ... not to
> > > overturn democracy, but to clarify democracy... if people vote "YES" we
> > > would prefer to have a name without ICANN in it, then THAT'S not
> > > anti-democratic... that becomes the democratic will of the membership in
> an
> > > evolving and fluid situation, with new details coming to light
> >
> > What new details are you referring to? Be specific AND accurate please.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > When people voted for icannatlarge.org, they did not have full
> information
> > > on the ballot (as Jefsey has pointed out)... indeed I think most of us
> had
> > > not fully realised that icannatlarge.org was "off the rails" ...
> >
> > It is not off the rails. It has a simple misconfigured Name server as
> the
> > Whois data I listed above clearly indicates.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > So please grasp the structural vision Jefsey has set out... and please
> > > consider a simple, YES or NO, clarifying vote on whether to have the
> > > despicable icann name in our name!
> >
> > Here inlies the real crux of your argument. You don't like having the
> > string "ICANN" in the DN for our organization. I happen to agree with
> you.
> > But such an argument is hardly a good reason to try to force a reversal
> > of the vote already taken by our members.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> > > To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:47 PM
> > > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] web site
> > >
> > > > As member of the WG-WEB I strongly suggest that possible webmasters or
> > > > co-webmaster (like Sotiris and NameCritics) tell us about:
> > > >
> > > > - the machine, platform and accesses they plan.
> > > > - the machine IP address and backup-schedule.
> > > > - the kind of site they plan
> > > > - who will participate/should participate to the site management
> > > > - how documents will be produced, accepted
> > > > - how will the site relate with the sub-sites.
> > > >
> > > > before we strike any decision.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why is that we have experienced the control of Joop. I am
> sure
> > > > all of us want it to change, but for the better, building on
> experience,
> > > > with Joop continuous cooperation (nothing prevent some part of the
> site to
> > > > remain on the existing system: for example the forum).. None of us
> wants
> > > to
> > > > spend time disputing over site details or webmaster's attitude. The
> first
> > > > one wanting things to be cool being the new Webmaster and his team.
> This
> > > > means that we also want to have a true agreement on the way we can
> > > > terminate the mission; protecting both us and the webmaster (he will
> be
> > > > controverted by nature, and he must feel stable and supported).
> > > >
> > > > This means that all the Panel Members and all the WG-WEB are members
> of
> > > the
> > > > editorial committee. We want to work out a solution permitting them to
> > > work
> > > > together?
> > > >
> > > > We want good out-reach support. So we want to go the way Richard
> defined
> > > > it: 190 local sites with possible hundreds of participants. This
> should be
> > > > well organized through the WG-DNS resource allocation, but the links
> from
> > > > the main site will have to be maintained and documented. This calls
> for a
> > > > lot of cooperation, as the site develops.
> > > >
> > > > jfc
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
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