Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection

["Hans Klein" <hans.klein@pubpolicy.gatech.edu>]

Sotiris,

If you have a mock-up web site, I am sure we would all be eager to see it.

Can you post the URL?

Hans



At 02:15 PM 10/16/2002 -0400, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
>
> > Jamie,
> >
> > Before you begin questioning the relationship between established user
> > organizations and ICANN, you might want to ask if your own group, 
> without any
> > organizational documents, without even a mission statement, bylaws or
> > charter, even qualifies as an organization suitable for recognition as an
> > at-large structure.
>
> Perhaps a dis-organization, then?  Especially of late.
>
> Before I received this email from Danny, I was about to post a link to the 
> list
> directing all of you to a mock-up web site which Hans requested I put together
> (even though I had ALREADY set up the PHPNuke site for all of you to view a
> couple months ago!  Remember that ladies and gentlemen?!?  Check the 
> archives, if
> you like...).  However, having read Danny's email I stopped myself and 
> decided to
> visit the Panel's closed list archive for a look at how our leaders are going
> about the business of this "organization".  Much to my surprise, I saw a 
> motion
> from Jamie Love (seconded by Hans Klein) to make Brett Faussett the new
> webmaster.  No offense against Brett, but where's he been for the last couple
> months? I didn't hear him volunteering his services when a new webmaster was
> being sought.  Or, ( as is probably the case) is this some kind of a 
> compromise
> selection to placate Joop?  In any case, if this is the direction the Panel
> wishes to take, then I wish them all the power in the world.  However, I 
> cannot
> for a moment understand why the WG-Web members (of which I am one) were not
> consulted?
>
> > As per the Committee on ICANN Evolution and Reform's Second Interim
> > Implementation Report:  "We agree that individual at large entities should
> > meet some "accreditation" standard, and we find the criteria and standards
> > recommended by the Assistance Group to be an attractive list."
> >
> > This "list" stipulates structured, self-sustaining entities that engage in
> > outreach and post current information about the organization's aims,
> > structure, constituents, working mechanisms, and current leadership.
> >
> > 1.  Your aims are not posted
>
> To date I submitted TWO different versions of Mission Statements for this
> organization (both several months ago) which elicited next to no comments, and
> yet there is still no substantive work produced by the 'power elite' among 
> us on
> this issue.  Shameful.  This and the webmaster issue noted above are enough to
> put off persons (such as myself) who are willing to contribute 
> substantively...
>
> >
> > 2.  You have no organizational structure
>
> Oh, but we do... dis-organization.
>
> >
> > 3.  You are not self-sustaining
>
> If bombast and self-important bluster were the fuel of the day, I'd say we're
> self-perpetuating rather than self-sustaining.
>
> >
> > 4.  You have no established working mechanisms or procedures for the 
> general
> > membership
>
> Why bother, that would detract from the nominal importance of our Panel
> Members...  BTW, Danny, have you perhaps heard anything from that champion 
> of the
> common netizens, Satyajit Gupta?  I wonder if the other Panel Members 
> approve of
> his delinquency?  If not, then why are there no steps being taken to 
> replace him?
>
> >
> > 5.  You can't document any organizational outreach activities
>
> Well, you might have something there.  Perhaps Richard Henderson can fill 
> us in
> on the progress towards the 100, 000 membership base he promised.
>
> >
> >
> > After you get your own house in order, then feel free to question the
> > relationship of ISOC chapters to ICANN -- they at least meet the minimum
> > criteria expected for an at-large structure.
>
> Except for the fact that they are now a Registry operator, which puts them 
> in the
> gTLD constituency...
>
> Seriously Disappointed,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
>
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