RE: [atlarge-discuss] polling closed. results now visible

["Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>]

I personally have no problems with the outcome, not the initiative, I
have problems with procedures that did not safeguard to make sure all
members could vote, that is what taints this vote, if it could not be
assured all members had a vote, then who controlled the vote and who
checked the vote.

Furthermore I object to the use of people's name without consulting them
and or getting permissions to do so, it was a question that definitely
not circulated on the atlarge maillist, which is therefore "doubtfull"
procedure.

As a learning experience it might be good, but without making obvious
statements as to what was most surely wrong, the learning experience
will be limited to patting each other on the back for being confirmed in
ones opinion of oneself and the questions one asked, there is a lot more
to be learned from this.

Abel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com] 
> Sent: 08 February 2003 18:53
> To: Sotiris Sotiropoulos; Joop Teernstra
> Cc: abel@able-towers.com; 'atlarge Discuss List'
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] polling closed. results now visible
> 
> 
> I'm sympathetic to Abel, who is a sincere person making a 
> good point, but I have to agree with Sotiris on this one. The 
> Poll should stand as it is. And people should read as much or 
> as little as they want to into it.
> 
> I've proposed that the Panel adopts the Polling Booth as an 
> ungoing mechanism for future polling of the membership... and 
> by that I mean the WHOLE membership.
> 
> So future polls will hopefully be pretty thorough.
> 
> To make this process official, the Panel has to support it 
> (and support it it should!). This week's use of the Poll was 
> a de facto grassroots action, which inevitably limits its 
> scope, but it was necessary to break the deadlock and 
> inertia, and force the point. The membership clearly want the 
> involvement which the Polling Booth offers.
> 
> If you look at out last "official" poll (on what to call 
> ourselves, last autumn), 170 people voted in that.
> 
> This week, 171 people voted at the Booth, even though there 
> were a dozen (some quite detailed) questions, and you might 
> have expected some people to be put off.
> 
> What this indicates to me is that, in fact, official or 
> unofficial, most of the people who actively engage in our 
> organisation once again engaged.
> 
> The "unofficial" Poll should stand (without being muddied by 
> extensions etc), but in future it should be made "official" 
> and even more indicative of member opinion.
> 
> I think any reasonable person would agree that the Poll 
> produced very interesting information about what our own 
> members feel. They want elections for a new panel, for 
> example. They want nothing to do with ICANN's RALOs.
> 
> Even more significant, though, is the desire for an ongoing 
> "bottom up" democratisation of our organisation, giving our 
> members much more involvement.
> 
> It is essential that the present (depleted) rump of the 
> original panel should act on the expressed feelings of its 
> own membership.
> 
> Richard Henderson
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> To: Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> Cc: <abel@able-towers.com>; 'atlarge Discuss List' 
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] polling closed. results now visible
> 
> 
> > I do not think it's advisable to taint the results by opeing up a 
> > polling extension.  Abel Wisman receives mail from the 
> discuss list, 
> > he knew there
> was
> > balloting going on, he chose to speak up after the poll was over.
> >
> > Sorry Mr. Wisman, next time speak up while it's going on.  
> One might 
> > get
> the
> > impression that you're trying to sabotage things, and that 
> would not 
> > be
> polite.
> >
> > There's always next time.
> >
> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> 
> 
> 
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