Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] Re: [atlarge-discuss] WE HAD A DREAM, WE HAVE A PROBLEM

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Bruce and all,

  I agree with the gist of your remarks here Bruce.  I would add or
extend that I don't recall you Vittorio, or Jefsey speaking for me
in this same respect as well.  I do recall that both Judyth and Jan
stating that INDEPENDENT individuals that are NOT members
serve as watchdogs.

bruce@barelyadequate.info wrote:

> Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>
> |  Because they are going to act as watchdogs for the next elections, and
> |  so they will not be candidates and they are not seeking power inside
> |  the organization.
>
> I don't remember stating I would not being a candidate, nor do I remember
> reading such a statement from Jefsey.  In fact, I specifically remember
> calling to have *members* serve as watchdogs, not panel members, to avoid
> any appearance of impropriety.  I think I understand your intent here, but
> don't appreciate having you make decisions for me.  I imagine Jefsey feels
> the same.
>
> |  It seems to me that there is a consistent part of our membership which
> |  is not recognizing the authority of the panel any more - and while I
> |  still can't see no valid reason why a self-called part of the
> |  membership should overcome the elected panel, it is also true that the
> |  panel was never meant to see 8 members on 11 resign and yet continue
> |  working.
>
> Let's correct this right up front: the mass Panel resignations were not an
> inditment of the Panel by the membership, they were an abandonment of the
> membership by specific panel members!
>
> |  So we need elections to re-establish who is legitimate to decide
> |  anything about this organization (including incorporation or who gets
> |  the members' emails) and my target is to get such elections happening
> |  as soon as possible, without breaking the organization in two, as it
> |  would possibly happen if I gave the membership list either to Jefsey
> |  or to Joop.
>
> So your actions are based on distrust?  What, pray tell, led you to this
> state?  I could understand it if you distrusted the Panel members that
> abandonded the fight.  But how do you conclude their actions color those of
> us who remain?  Or that we are less trustworthy somehow because of *their*
> failing to carry out *their* responsibilities.  Jefsey and I have
> continually stated our desire to move forward with this election.  Why does
> this bother you?
>
> |  If anyone has objections about the choice of Judyth and Jan as
> |  watchdogs, it's fine and let's discuss, but I think that giving such
> |  fundamental data to the watchdogs for the next election, rather than
> |  to any part which wants to win control of the organization at the next
> |  elections, is the best thing to do for the organization's sake.
>
> No complaints about either person.  But how does this statement jive with
> your earlir one, quoted above, that Jefsey and I would be watchdogs?
>
> I'm trying very hard not to read anything into the circumstances that prompt
> these questions.  But questions are all I have at this point, since logic
> seems to have abandoned this process.
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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