Re: [atlarge-discuss] Panel Motion Passed! On to Elections! BULL HOCKEY

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Richard and all fellow members,

Richard Henderson wrote:

> Hugh
>
> I think there's one inaccuracy in what you wrote- please see below:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hugh Blair <hblair@hotfootmail.com>
>
> > Facts:
> >
> > 1 - a panel was elected for a term of 6 months - now long
> >     expired
> > 2 - they did nothing that you can point to
> > 3 - since their term expired, the membership is now the
> >     group that should make decisions
>
> The panel was, in fact, voted with a 12 month term, which was set to expire
> late July/early August 2003.
>
> I agree that the panel achieved almost nothing.

 Less than nothing really, sorry to say.  :(  That is precisely the
crux of the problem with what is happening now.  Internal
collapse is eminent for this fledgling organization.  Yet to
barrow a analogy, the still 2 or 3 would be Saddam's left
in the now defunct Panel still are trying to further discredit,
disrupt, and denigrate any chance of creditability that
this fledgling organization might be able to attain.

>
>
> Their term has not yet expired, but I agree with you that the membership
> should be driving the decision making process now. In the absence of other
> methods of establishing opinion, one can only "weigh" the comments made on
> this mailing list, and the opinions expressed through the Polling Booth.

  Yes.  Some here can't even do that, including their own comments
on this forum.

>
>
> It is self-evident that a new election is required. I resigned from the
> panel at a point where this membership desire was pretty evident (after the
> first poll) but the Panel would not raise a quorum to initiate an election
> process. At that point, I took a decision to disassociate myself from the
> panel, and identify myself as an ordinary member again.

  You are one of the few Panel members that really tried to accomplish
something with input and direction from the members.

>
>
> But the actual term for which the panel was elected was 12 months, not 6
> months. I felt (along with the majority of members, I believe) that the
> panel had to go, because it had imploded, and that it should not carry on
> for its last six months.

  Perhaps whether 6 or 12 month, I still believe is was 6, and the
archives show that, that Jefsey and Bruce, with Eric as a wanna-be
so called ex-panel members can except this reality that the ex-panel
is no more and hasn't been for some time now.  But I doubt it..
In any event should they not do so, it will be hard and nasty legally
engulfed road ahead for them I am afraid...  :(

>
>
> I believed that the panel had lost all credibility. The membership who
> responded to the poll (170 people) seemed to take the same view. They did
> not want the people who came last in the election to end up running the
> organisation. They wanted new elections. These new elections are urgently
> needed.

  New elections are indeed needed.  However now, it can't be
reasonably expected that safe and secure elections can be held
given Judyth's recent endangering action of transferring yet again
the membership list via unsecured means.

>
>
> I also hope, in the aftermath of further elections, that a process is put in
> place to ensure that the members themselves have a means of vetoing panel
> actions (vive la France!) and that through regular polling, the membership
> itself sets the agenda and defines the direction of the organisation.

Muerto de France!  The incredulous actions of the peoples of that
nation, including sadly Jefsey, is a scourge on society and the
members here.  However a organization of the members, by the members
and for the members is now unlikely given first Vittorio's actions and
now further, Judyth's actions.  So Hugh's exclamation of  "BULL HOCKEY"
is indeed fitting.  There is NO Panel, ergo the action Judyth took is
not creditable and therefore starts the process of shoveling the dirt
on the open grave of this once fledgling organization...

> That
> would be truly "bottom up". Also, I think the problem of the non-voting
> panelist has to be addressed. It is not acceptable for one or more panelists
> to prevent a quorum/decision simply by not voting. So I believe a process
> needs to be adopted which makes voting mandatory, even if that vote is an
> abstention. Perhaps you use the "runner up in the poll" method there - if a
> panelist does not vote by a deadline, then the next person down the election
> list takes the vote on that specific issue, to ensure a quorum and active
> participation. And if a panelist failed to vote three times, then the
> "substitute" person would take over as panelist permanently.

  But there is no quorum now, and cannot be one.  Hence yet again
the Panel as you stated above is non-existant.  Hence than, it cannot
vote on anything.  Only the members can vote on anything, yet we
still have no voting system/method that is secure and safe for member
privacy to vote.  Quite a conundrum to some here.  And yet still
a number of voting systems that industry's use are available, but none
that I know of are free.  And yet further still, because we have
no funds, despite attempts at gaining such funds have been
often pursued by yours truly, no member here seems to have
either the time, money or interest in gaining such funding.  Hence
leaving this once fledgling organization in a circular trap that it
does not wish or desire bad enough to extricate itself from.

>
>
> Having said that, I believe the "runner up replacing a panelist" should only
> be used up to a point where half the original panel has been replaced.

  After a new election that is safe, secure and legitimate, this may be
possible to implement if and when this fledgling organization is
an actual corporation.  So far and for so long now this has
not been accomplished.  Again though this too required some
initial funding, which again this once fledgling organization
does not have, and is seemingly unwilling to date to gather.

>
>
> Will consideration be given to issues like these, when the rules for the
> coming election are written up?
>
> kind regards,
>
> Richard H
>
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