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RE: [atlarge-discuss] Panel Motion Passed! On to Elections! BULL HOCKEY
I'm totally in agreement with Judyth here. She was thrust into a political
minefield without warning, and has behaved admirably and with great
restraint. If not for her and Jan holding fast, we would still be going
nowhere. Instead, we are proceding to hold an election that the
overwhelming concensus of the active membership has been calling for! This
will be our sole responsibility until a new panel is elected and takes over.
I don't understand why this could be considered a bad thing, except maybey
by ICANN sympathizers who want to see us not succeed.
Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon USA
bruce@barelyadequate.info
http://www.barelyadequate.info
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| -----Original Message-----
| From: espresso@e-scape.net [mailto:espresso@e-scape.net]
| Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:26 AM
| To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
| Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Panel Motion Passed! On to Elections!
| BULL HOCKEY
|
|
| Hugh Blair wrote:
| >> > -----Original Message-----
| >> > From: espresso @ e-scape . net
| >> >
| >> > Give the guys a break and let them do the $#$%^& job they
| >> > were elected for.
| >>
| >> Their election has expired - gone - kaputz.
|
| Dear Hugh,
|
| As you may have noticed from my many postings on the subject,
| what I am is an ordinary member like yourself, and no more
| pleased by the way some of the individual panelists elected
| last time conduct themselves than you are. However, this
| group decided in its infinite wisdom that it would elect
| an Interim Panel to conduct its business:
|
| a) Three of its members agreed to stay on temporarily
| to organize the election of the next lot of panelists
| b) This group had agreed prior to the election of the
| outgoing Panel that this was part of the Panel's job
| c) Nobody elected me to do anything (perhaps partly because
| I didn't run or even vote back then since I was not yet
| a registered member at the time), I'm certainly in
| no position to take on the responsibilities of a Chief
| Electoral Officer, and in fact nobody asked me to do
| that
| d) This group has a few self-appointed Chief Electoral
| Officers whose legitimacy is dubious, none of whom have
| received majority support in this whole discussion but
| each of whom is unwilling to even ask for that support
| before proceeding to decide for the group.
|
| >> A "break" isn't the issue. But it's not like anyone now
| >> has a choice. And since you hold these three people up
| >> as a panel with some authority, then why do you still
| >> have a copy of the membership list? You should destroy
| >> it immediately since the panel you grant power to had no
| >> part in giving it to you and has not granted you permission
| >> to keep it. You're breaking your own rules. I hear two
| >> messages coming out of both sides of your lips.
|
| Sorry, Hugh, evidently you missed the message where I was asked
| to hang onto the files as a backup until the group decides
| about third-party escrow of the list. As I've said elsewhere,
| I never opened the files except Vittorio's original off-list
| message to me, which I had to open in order to send it along
| with the attachments, and don't intend to.
|
| In retrospect, you may be right that I should have erased
| Vittorio's message and its attachments as soon as I received it.
| But that would have meant *nobody* in ICANNATLARGE.ORG except
| Vittorio (and Jan Siren who was in the same untenable position as
| myself) would ever have FTP access to the ICANNATLARGE.ORG Web
| site or its membership list.
|
| In short, nobody could have contacted the members or altered the
| Web site, let alone held any kind of election!
|
| >> As well intentioned as these three people might be, and as
| >> much respect as I may have for them, this still doesn't grant
| >> them the right or ability to make any decisions for the
| >> membership. None.
| >>
| >> I voted for and supported you holding the membership list.
| >> You've now violated that trust. Does nobody around here
| >> have any ethics?
|
| I tried to choose the lesser of two evils and specifically asked
| this group for guidance on the matter.
|
| The preponderance of answers, on the mini-ballot or not, said
| "hold onto the files" so I did ... and have been insulted and
| falsely accused repeatedly for following the only instructions
| I had received.
|
| The preponderance of members were in favour of new elections but
| no other means of getting them organized was proposed besides
| a) the rump Panel, or
| b) handing the information over to one or more people prepared to
| impose their own personal preferences by non-democratic means.
|
| There was no groundswell on this list supporting unilateral
| actions proposed by either Joop or Jefsey. There were several
| people who showed they looked to the remaining Panel to arrange
| the elections. Nobody voiced the opinion that making elections
| completely impossible or having individuals run competing elections
| on two Web sites was a good idea.
|
| Given those facts -- which I weighed carefully for weeks during
| which anyone could have said "let's do X instead" -- I concluded
| the only ethical course of action open to me was to recognize the
| legitimacy of the rump Panel to call the elections, but refuse
| to surrender the files until a formal request came from the
| remaining panelists jointly, rather than as a demand from an
| individual member who happened to sit on the Panel but could
| not demonstrate the support of the Panel as a whole.
|
| Everyone on this list had ample opportunity to read my explanations
| of what I was doing and why, my insistence on a Panel motion as
| a minimum prerequisite for surrender of the files and the various
| accusations and complaints that I should be doing something else.
| Everyone had ample opportunity to contact me on or off this list
| to suggest alternatives; a very few did, and I took their
| comments seriously in my deliberations. I am sorry you did not
| avail yourself of the chance to tell us (or me) how you felt
| about this but not sorry for the decision I made since it was
| the only one open to me which would permit the elections we
| all wanted to take place. To hold out against the Panel motion
| until the Panel actually submitted a plan for elections to
| this list for discussion would have been the only other option,
| and the Panel evidently had no intention of doing that until
| I had transmitted the list to them.
|
| >> Cranky,
| >>
| >> Hugh
|
| Me, too, Hugh. Whether you believe it or not, I am strongly
| committed to ethical behaviour and put more time and worry
| into this decision than most people ever would. I can only
| ask you to note that it is entirely possible for a person
| to behave ethically and still arrive at a conclusion you
| find to be wrong.
|
| Regards,
|
| Judyth
|
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