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[atlarge-discuss] Re: ARIN is milking the COW (fwd)
Joe and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,
Thank you Joe for asking and especially in doing so aiding in making
all of us aware of this very questionable accounting justification.
$1,,045,063.15 in "Fringe Benefits"!? That's an awful lot of "Fringe"
or some very good quality "Fringe", if you will pardon the pun! >;)
It is also outrageous! :( I personally would like to see a breakdown
or just exactly what those "Fringe Benefits" are or whom "they" are
if you know what I mean! >;)
Joe Baptista wrote:
> Jeff - will you please be so kind as to forward this to the ga@dnso.org.
>
> I think it's relevant to the discussion ... or lack thereof.
>
> cheers
> joe baptista
>
> Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
>
> another useless fact ....
> One has to eat 11 pounds of potatoes to put on 1 pound of weight
> a potato has no more calories than an apple.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:18:58 -0400
> From: Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>
> To: ppml@arin.net
> Cc: johnmac's living room <johnmacsgroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.fan.joe-baptista, ont.general, tor.general, can.general,
> alt.journalism
> Subject: ARIN is milking the COW
>
> The internet numbers authority has recently been accused of milking the
> cow. An appropriate reference for an organization which allocates numbers
> and provides reverse dns. A service they charge $2,500 USD for but is
> only worth at best $6.00 USD.
>
> I could do the reverse for less. Is the IANA RIR MLM operation out of
> control?
>
> Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god via inclusive namespace
> www.dot-god.com
>
> another useless fact ....
> In England, murder is murder. There are no degrees of murder, as in
> the United States.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:01:44 -0500
> From: Matthew S. Hallacy <poptix@techmonkeys.org>
> To: Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net>, nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Independent space from ARIN
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 02:21:01AM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
>
> > * Why do we have to pay very large sums of money ($2500+ per year at a
> > minimum) for this wonderful IP policing service. Where in the heck does
> > all that money go?
>
> >From http://www.arin.net/library/corp_docs/budget.html :
>
> Out of the $7,861,700.00 they raked in last year:
>
> SALARIES $2,326,653.85
> FRINGE BENEFITS $1,045,063.15
> HIRING COSTS $75,000.00
> TRAVEL AND CONFERENCE $631,732.40
> COMMUNICATIONS $236,699.62
> COMPUTER $118,941.75
> DEPRECIATION $445,750.00
> RENT & OCCUPANCY $461,287.00
> GENERAL OFFICE $192,400.00
> LEGAL FEES $100,000.00
> Legal Defense Fund $200,000.00
> ICANN SUPPORT $188,480.00
> Other Internet Support - Merit & ISOC $100,000.00
> LACNIC SUPPORT $66,000.00
> CONSULTING $184,000.00
> Total $6,372,007.76
>
> In other words, they're milking the cash cow.
>
> > * Why are we expected to continue the status quo of paying thousands of
> > dollars for addresses in IPv6? Without the threat of an artifical
> > shortage to "manage", what possible reason is there to justify ARIN's
> > existance or fees? Why do we all get the feeling IPv6 isn't an end to
> > the expenses, but rather a vast new market of registration and renewal
> > fees?
>
> Because the owners of the cash cow don't want it to go away.
>
> > --
> > Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras
> > GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
>
> --
> Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified
> http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203
Regards,
--
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