RE: [atlarge-discuss] Election Preparation

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

Knowing that I am an ignorant as far as engineering matters go;
coudn't the notices for election ballots have both addresses.
And could not the instruction say when you vote just reply to both?
Or reply all or something that simple.

(clearly the downsides include counting - but minimal and it might make a 
better accounting system against cheaters.  Also discreptancies would be 
highly noted - but is not the purpose to see them?

Just an idea that can be thrashed.

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> 
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos wroyte
> 
> |  Then we must value BOTH equally, online forum and email list 
> |  equally.  To date, the forum has been somehow shoved to the 
> |  backshelf or something akin to that by the "elite" among us. 
> |  Same with Joop's polling booth.  There are interests behind such  | 
> tactics, no doubt.
> |  
> |  --Sotiris
> 
> I know.  But we need to resolve that.  The key, I think, is that we
> need to use both equally and interchangably: polls need to go out both
> ways.  Replies need to be collated centrally, and the reslts posted
> both online and in this forum.  Two avenues to one unified result.
> 
> Joop's site is providing a valuable service, but so does this list.  As
> you said, both of them need to be valued equally and used jointly.
> 
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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> 
> |  -----Original Message-----
> |  From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos [mailto:sotiris@hermesnetwork.com]
> |  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 2:30 AM
> |  To: bruce@barelyadequate.info
> |  Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> |  Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Election Preparation
> |  
> |  
> |  Then we must value BOTH equally, online forum and email list 
> |  equally.  To date, the forum has been somehow shoved to the 
> |  backshelf or something akin to that by the "elite" among us. 
> |  Same with Joop's polling booth.  There are interests behind such  | 
> tactics, no doubt.
> |  
> |  --Sotiris
> |  
> |  bruce@barelyadequate.info wrote:
> |  
> |  > Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> |  >
> |  > |  I, for one, prefer the forum for these purposes...
> |  > |  so much more
> |  > |  convenient than downloading the oftentimes huge volume of email
> |  > |  from this list
> |  > |  (along with the spam that inevitably sneaks in too).  In fact,
> I |  > |  would say that if
> |  > |  we want to be more efficient and low-bandwidth friendly, we | 
> > |  stick to the online
> |  > |  forum entirely for these purposes.
> |  >
> |  > I, on the other hand, prefer the e-mail forum, since I don't  | 
> have to be connected to view messages.  This is important in my  | 
> life, since between work, school and the DAV, I not home very 
> |  long during the week (except to sleep!), and my employer frowns  | 
> on using the computers at work for personal use (and is tracking  | 
> network usage to curb such behavior!). So the e-mail messages 
> |  give me the freedom to read from my PDA when I'm commuting, or  | 
> from a laptop computer when I'm on the road.
> |  >
> |  > Bruce Young
> |  > Portland, Oregon USA
> |  > bruce@barelyadequate.info
> |  > http://www.barelyadequate.info
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> |  > |  -----Original Message-----
> |  > |  From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos [mailto:sotiris@hermesnetwork.com] |
>  > |  Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:12 PM
> |  > |  To: espresso@e-scape.net
> |  > |  Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> |  > |  Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Election Preparation
> |  > |
> |  > |
> |  > |
> |  > |
> |  > |  espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> |  > |  <snip>
> |  > |
> |  > |  > I've got nothing against forums per se but isn't it time |  >
> |  > we started recognizing that our proto-organization is
> |  > |  > *one* entity whose name, for better or worse, is
> |  > |  > ICANNATLARGE.ORG and which needs to pull together and
> |  > |  > run one election process rather than have one set of
> |  > |  > people on the mailing list and another set on the forum
> |  > |  > while the people who don't hang out in either get left
> |  > |  > out?
> |  > |
> |  > |  Such "people" have no business among us then, and I bet most of
> |  > |  them are phonies
> |  > |  anyway, or at best proxy votes for the Benedict Arnolds among |
>  > |  us.  I'll say it
> |  > |  again, democracy is participatory.  If they don't participate,
> |  > |  how do we know they
> |  > |  exist, or that they're not simply proxies?  No Judyth, I think
> |  > |  Joop's proposal is
> |  > |  quite sound.  I, for one, prefer the forum for these
> purposes... |  > |  so much more
> |  > |  convenient than downloading the oftentimes huge volume of email
> |  > |  from this list
> |  > |  (along with the spam that inevitably sneaks in too).  In fact,
> I |  > |  would say that if
> |  > |  we want to be more efficient and low-bandwidth friendly, we | 
> > |  stick to the online
> |  > |  forum entirely for these purposes.
> |  > |
> |  > |  Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> |  > |
> |  > |  P.S.  Judyth, some of us are still waiting for your "proposal"
> |  > |  for a voting
> |  > |  mechanism, remember?  :-)
> |  > |
> |  > |
> |  > |  
> | 
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