[atlarge-discuss] Internet for Users

["Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>]

Thank You Able,

Thank you for rising to the occasion, without being directly asked, and upon
your own dignity and honor, came forward to offer the information straight
forward with exemplinary integrity.

This is the 'Quality' Icannatlarge will need to survive, this is a Candidate
who's earnest effort will bring change to the Internet.


Best regards,
James Khan

P.S.:
> Maybe you can label me, if so good luck, if not, then at least you know
> what makes me tick.
" Honest Abe " is a good fit :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>
To: "'Jkhan'" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Internet for Users


> From all the questions I read and answered (and I do believe I answered
> all of them, if not please tell me) this is one of the hardest to answer
> and to comprehend because it asks me to put myself in a little drawer
> with a label, something I tried to prevent ending up as for most of my
> life.
>
> What I do for a living is known and documented, I am a small (very
> small) ISP who does some co-lo., webhosting and shell-hosting, my main
> income however comes from LAN, WAN and WLAN install and maintenance,
> server building and install and such.
>
> So am I thus in the category "industrial relatives"? After all I also do
> some domain registrations, as a reseller. Yet despite feeling a part of
> the internet community at large, I do not really think I am part of "the
> industry" so no, not that category.
>
> Governments and me, we do not get along to well, they want to limit my
> freedom of expression, given half the chance they would even control my
> way of thinking, they go to war without my consent, and they certainly
> want to much money from me all the time, so no, not that category
> either.
>
> Users, now I know I am one of them, since 1989 I am a user, and it did
> one thing for me, it learned me a lot along the way, first I had to
> master "archie" and "finger" and "telnet", then "the web" came along,
> wow, I learned some html ( 1 & 2 )and even dabbled with vhtml. But time
> and technique moved faster then I could master it all.
>
> I guess everyone that turns on a computer and  connects it to the "net"
> is a user however so yeah I do fit in that category, but thank god, so
> does everyone who does that.
> Even people who fall in the other categories are also users, and as such
> might have a totally different agenda then their job-description would
> suggest.
> Though it may be hard to comprehend, I do believe that people in the
> (portrait as) less desirable categories are users to, perhaps even first
> and foremost and as such might be enrichment to our membership. We can
> not fathom their private thoughts, maybe they use an alias to
> participate and help build what their collective bosses do not want to
> see grown.
>
> We can not judge on categories, only on actions, and then every user can
> be a danger to the build-up of an organization.
>
> Perhaps some "agencies" created persons that are on this list consisting
> of 5 or 6 people working in shifts monitoring all maillists out there
> and participating with the idea of disruption alone, who knows.
> All I know is that I am speaking my mind and if I can do that for others
> at the same time who share my ideas then that is great, if  I do it for
> me alone then still I will not be silenced, as I do not accept that any
> minority should be silenced, whether I agree with the views or not.
>
> As a host I sponsor several sites by giving them free hosting and
> domains, help where needed and a "safe haven" for their ideas.
> (www.lawyeragainsthewar.org www.cupofwonder.com www.rainbow-co-op.org
> www.hujjat.org www.madressa.net and www.almost-homeless.net being a
> diversity of examples.
>
> So am I a "good Samaritan" ? Naw, I try to make money, and if that money
> can come from chasing my ideal world, even better, I do not say no to a
> customer who wants hosting and comes to me via any of those sites,
> though I do no count on getting customers from it.
>
> All I do is care about what is happening in the world and on the
> internet in particular, add to that the fact that I think that I know
> something about some things that are going on and my inability to shut
> up, and you have my profile, but still I do not know in which category I
> fall.
>
> Maybe you can label me, if so good luck, if not, then at least you know
> what makes me tick.
>
> Regards
>
> Abel
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jkhan [mailto:Jkhan@MetroMgr.com]
>
> > > ... ok ... It's election time the Candidates are lined up, the
> > > Membership is fired-up and ready to vote!
>
> > > Side 2.
> > > I feel it important to know; What the Candidates (Potential Panel
> > > Members)
> > > which comprises this organization is comprised of.
> > > That is to say, to know *WHY* the Candidate support a certain
> > > perspective, be it related to:
> > >
> > > The interests of *Users* on the demand side,
> > > The interests of *Industrial Affiliates*
> > > The interests of *Government(so)*
> > >
> > > ...so... Is it because they are:
> > >
> > > Good Samaritans
> > > Industrial Relatives
> > > Public Servants
> > > --
> > > ...now...
> > > Because there are different perspectives associated to intrest, the
> > > metric's of Icannatlarge demographic is important to establish, in
> > > order to understand the dynamics of People's relationship with
> > > Icannatlarge.(*)
> > >
> > > The Members have to understand this dynamic, *AND* the
> > Panel have to
> > > understand this dynamic, BEFORE THE VOTE.  As they will be in a
> > > Push-N-Pull flux, with a metric (an understanding of the
> > boundaries)
> > > to keep them within
> > > tolerance.
> > > I am saying that the two halves must closely match
> > ideologies, in order
> > > to
> > > become successful.
>
>
>
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