Re: [atlarge-discuss] 11 Member Panel

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Mauro and all fellow members,

  Yes we should be and have been building a organization, not
a club.  However Jefsey has decided with his false and shame
of an election, turn things into a "Club-Like" situation.

A/S Mauro D. Rios wrote:

> @Large,
>
> Of course I agree with Ron, already enough one argued in this respect.
>
> What would it happen if Sotiris was in the place 15 and another person this
> proposed?
> Why then we don't outline to reduce it before giving validity to the Panel?,
> in this case Sotiris would be outside.
>
> It is a hypothesis, but the manipulation (that many denounced) that I have
> already seen around the election has a limit, It cannot be that the things
> are reordered to our convenience and be sometimes and the same things are
> not sometimes well.
>
> I have given my trust to the process in spite of the observations and of
> course in spite of the warlike confrontation of Sotiris to discredit
> everything.
>
> Sometimes the love to the seat can change our point of view. Let us maintain
> the little pride that we have left to make that @Large comes out ahead and
> grow.
>
> I continue trusting, but let us don't underestimate the members neither let
> us forget that us, the members, we are who govern @Large. Let us don't
> return again to fall under an elite government and eternal. Let us build an
> organization and not a club.
>
> The passivity of many is dangerous, this gives the space to fall in the same
> old rails.
>
> Many panelists (??) have not said, not even, "hello", others have said
> "hello" and nothing more and others are ghosts. On the other hand, many
> active members seem to be had tired of giving turns and turns and turns in
> this treadmill.
>
> If we don't wake up the members and we make that participating is a pleasant
> task and not to go to the war, we cannot wait much more.
>
> regards,
> Mauro.-
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Ron Sherwood [mailto:sherwood@islands.vi]
> Enviado el: Martes, 03 de Junio de 2003 11:19 a.m.
> Para: Sotiris Sotiropoulos; Jan Siren
> CC: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] 11 Member Panel
>
> I disagree with Sotiris:
>
> If the election results were good enough for Sotiris to become a Panel
> member, then they are certainly good enough for any other candidates to
> become Panel members without, another election that would leave Sotiris in
> place without having to subject himself to such a run off.
>
> Why is it, Sotiris, that self-interest always seems to drive your thinking?
>
> Ron Sherwood
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> To: "Jan Siren" <sirenj@earthlink.net>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] 11 Member Panel
>
> >
> >
> > Jan Siren wrote:
> >
> > >Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>With respect to the 11 member panel.  In the event that one or more of
> > >>the elected Panelists proves to be unverifiable, I think it's best the
> > >>Panel be reduced in size rather than have any replacements promoted from
> > >>the candidates who did not make the top 11.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >I respectfully disagree.  I think it is important to start out, at least,
> > >with a fully-populated 11-member Panel, even if that means dipping into
> the
> > >"followers" at the outset.  I think any judge would find the distinction
> > >between unverifiable elected Panelists, and Panelists who nullified
> > >themselves through inaction later, as trivial; the same procedure for
> > >replacement should apply in either case.
> > >
> >
> > I disagree. I think that if any of the Panel members are unverifiable or
> > drop out, that we hold a snap election for the position(s). I think that
> > would be the best and fairest way to proceed. The most democratic.
> >
> > --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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