[atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] RE: Who'se done it? .org IDNs killed

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Bruce and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties

Bruce Beckwith wrote:

> Marc,
>
> I appreciate your frustration with the problems you're currently
> experiencing with your .org IDN domain, and because PIR policy prohibits
> discussing specific domain issues with anyone other than the registrant and
> registrar, I will not post the exact cause of the issues you're experiencing
> on these lists.

  Interesting policy.  Seems designed to not solve problems or solve
them equitably.  But given Don Heaths presence on PIR's board,
this is not surprising.

> I will send you our findings via a separate email.
>
> What I would like to remind you and the community about, however, is that
> when PIR assumed responsibility for the .org TLD, we made it clear to our
> registrar partners (for communication to their customers) that we would not
> support nor charge for existing IDN registrations, since they did not meet
> any industry-accepted standards.

  There are no industry excepted standards for IDN Bruce.

>  In short, IDN domain registrations are
> currently locked at the registry level, so that changes to the domain name
> record are not allowed.

  Good idea.  However what if the registrant needs or desires a
update to his/her registration?

>
>
> As noted by ICANN yesterday, PIR is one of the registries that will work
> within the IDN Guidelines produced.  As we determine how best to introduce
> IDN registrations that address the needs of the community, as well as how
> best to transition the existing legacy .org IDNs, we will be pleased to
> communicate our plans.

  Many existing IDN "Legacy" IDN registrations may not wish to
be "Transitioned" as you put it.  So how would such be serving
the public interest?

>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce
>
> Bruce W. Beckwith
> VP, Operations
> Public Interest Registry
> "Serving the Public Interest"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Schneiders [mailto:marc@fuchsia.bijt.net]
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 6:45 AM
> To: George Kirikos
> Cc: ga@dnso.org; discuss@icann-ncc.org; Bruce Beckwith
> Subject: Who'se done it? .org IDNs killed
>
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, at 11:54 [=GMT-0700], George Kirikos wrote:
>
> > http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-20jun03.htm
>
> Great news. On a practical level matters are less great. .org IDNs have
> ceased to work months ago, I think. In any case they do not work now. The
> whole zone (mltbd.org) is dead. The .com and .net still do fine. Who
> pulled the plug? VeriSign? PIR, some clueless sys admin? The domain
> mltbd.org (which as said serves for the .org IDNs) is registered to
> Beckwith of PIR. The nameservers, however, seem to be VeriSign's.
>
> I contacted PIR about this, did get replies, but none that explained. They
> are now investigating for over two weeks and getting back to me for over a
> week. So maybe some public pressure is in order. Sorry about that. I don't
> accept being left in the blue for long.
>
> Facts I have:
>
> 1. My weblogs tell me that mid March requests for .org IDNs still came in.
> Those are the last ones. It was working then. After that it must have
> died. So initially PIR held on to their promise that the existing .org
> IDNs would continue to function. (New ones were not possible anymore after
> January 1, 2003.) Now they don't work anymore and PIR doesn't do a thing
> about it even after they have been told. It cannot be hard to reinstate
> the zone if it was accidently dropped. Doesn't have to take weeks, does
> it? So much for stability, stability, stability.
>
> 2. The zone for the 'testbed' IDN .org domains (mltbd.org) has nameservers
> in the parent zone. These nameservers do not know anything about the zone
> now (and didn't when I looked into it two wweks ago and contacted PIR).
>
> One wonders why nobody but me seems to have noticed this. Or did I miss
> something?
>
> To be clear: I am talking about DNS, not whois details. These are still in
> place.
>
> If this message sounds sour, I am. Even though PIR doesn't charge at the
> moment for IDNs in .org, they shouldn't just let them die contrary to
> their promises, and without telling those who have these domains.
>
> --
> [03] I thank you for your time and interest.
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