[atlarge-discuss] Re: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN Announcement - At-Large List Names Sought; ALSC Forum ...

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Marilyn and all stakeholders or interested parties,

Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:

>    You are quite wrong, Eric, that I am opposed to At Large seats on
> the Board -- but I am also committed to stability of the Internet --
> so yes, I chose to support the At Large Study Group's approach to
> getting there.

  The ALSC's final report as to how and what a AT-Large structure would
be
does not in any way dictate or demonstrate a direction of stability of
the
internet.  In fact quite the opposite IMHO...  Limiting the size of an
At-Large membership and what the qualifications are in the ALSC
Final Report violates the MoU agreement and the White Paper.
Hence the call on the DNSO GA for a rebid of the ICANN Contracts
with DOC/NTIA...  If you can argue where the ALSC Final Report
encompasses any "Stability" issue(s), I would be happy to give them
my very close and individual attention.  So far I have seen none
in that direction.  Hence Marilyn, your comment here seems more
of a lobbyist approach rather than one of significant substance
addressing your actual claim...

>   People of good will can differ on processes, have interests which
> are valid but different, and work toward outcomes which are similar in
> concept, without wasting their time, and the time of others in
> unnecessary arguments -- it diverts all from work.

  Here is one place where we agree completely.  I am thankful for that.
However
I do have some question as to your sincerity given your historic
comments
regarding policy making for At-Large members...

>
> You spend a lot of time on this. I don't want to waste your time, or
> mine, in arguments.

  Well Marilyn, Eric amongst hundreds of thousands of other
stakeholders/Users
such as our [INGRoup] members have not drank the koolaid, as they say,
so
of course, and by nature, arguments good or bad will ensue.

  But I will be blatantly blunt here with a few questions for you or you

and the BC to get down to the nut cutting as we down here in Texas say:

1.) Do you or do you not support an At-Large membership that is
     inclusive of any and all stakeholders/users?

2.) Do you or you not support a At-Large that has a vote on any policy
     issue that may effect any stakeholder/user?

3.) Do you or do you not support that any At-Large will elect at least
     51% or 9 board seats?

  Now Marilyn, you can of course evade direct answers to these simple
questions or not answer then at all.  If you do however it will be plain
that
YOU are one of several that blocking or subverting the White Paper
and MoU...  The choice is yours to answer or not to answer directly
and definitively....

>
>
> Marilyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: eric@hi-tek.com [mailto:eric@hi-tek.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:47 AM
> To: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA
> Cc: William S. Lovell; James Love; Denise Michel ALSC;
> forum@atlargestudy.org
> Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN Announcement - At-Large List Names
> Sought; ALSC Forum ...
>
>
> This is extremely insincere,
>
> She is not on the board, got paid to work in the ALSC, is a leading
> banner carrier for ICANN, interfaces on a regular basis in a closed
> manners with the staff and BoD members.  She works with and influences
> policy behind the scenes.
>
>
> Yes she is not staff.  So why do not you show a little sophistication
> and not bullshit the world with this kind of spin selling? Yes she is
> doing her own "managing process" which most of us would soon see go
> away, she has a history of collusion and ill formed not nice
> indications.
>
>
> I am glad you now have branded yourself clearly as a supporter of her
> agenda.  While I personally like you at least now it is clear you are
> opposed to AL seats on the board, and therefor I must consider you
> hostile to my dotcommoners
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
>
> "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:
>
>
>  I note that Denise Michel is   NOT ICANN staff.
> Really, let's show a little sophistication, here. The average woman on
> the street can tell the difference between staff who are hired by
> ICANN and someone who is managing a process, with independent funding.
> It is a very hard task, by the way, that latter one..Show some
> recognition for that. I don't agree with your perspective AT
> ALL.Marilyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William S. Lovell [ mailto:wsl@cerebalaw.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:38 PM
> To: James Love
> Cc: Denise Michel ALSC; forum@atlargestudy.org
> Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN Announcement - At-Large List Names
> Sought; ALSC Forum ...
>
>
> James Love wrote:
>
>
> What do you and the rest of the ICANN staff mean by "at large
> structures."
>
> Is this the ICANN way of saying it will do the Lynn plan, where you
> don't
>
> recognize any single structure to formally represent the public, but
> you
>
> have these consultations with various groups, that have zero votes on
>
> anything?   I note that the Lynn plan doesn't have much of a role for
> users
>
> or the public in general other than to have some PR staff person talk
> to
>
> them.
>
>
>
> Jamie
>
> That's the way I've interpreted it as well.  The money Esther Dyson
> speaks of goes
> to ICANN, to be spent as it sees fit, and I've earlier characterized
> that Announcement
> thing as "divide and conquer."  It's typical ICANN chicanery.
>
> Bill Lovell
>
>
>
> --------------------from the Lynn proposal------
>
>
>
> 2.  Manager of Public Participation
>
>   a) Responsible for managing the public comment and participation
> process
>
> for ICANN on all substantive matters. Will solicit, receive and report
> to
>
> the Board on all public input on matters put out for public comment.
>
>
>
>   b) Responsible for managing all ICANN public forums, public e-mail
> list,
>
> etc. Provided necessary electronic access to publicize findings and
>
> recommendations, all of which will be available to the public.
>
>
>
>   c) Provided with support staff and other resources necessary to
> carry out
>
> responsibilities effectively
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Denise Michel ALSC"   <mailto:dmichel@atlargestudy.org>
> <dmichel@atlargestudy.org>
>
> To:   <mailto:forum@atlargestudy.org> <forum@atlargestudy.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, May 0
>
> 2, 2002 6:06 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] ICANN Announcement - At-Large List Names
> Sought;
>
> ALSC Forum ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok.  As someone who was just elected for a 90 day panel working on
> this,
>
> what do you mean by "facilitate the creation of At-Large structures."?
>
> Are there some services you are able to provide efforts such as the
> one
>
> that
>
> I got roped into?
>
>
>
> Jamie
>
>
>
> What services is icannatlarge.com looking for?
>
>
>
> Currently, I'm doing outreach to identify individuals/groups worldwide
>
> interested in organizing At-Large structures, looking for common
>
> objectives
>
> and interests relevant to Internet users and ICANN's mission, and
>
> establishing mechanisms for coordination and cooperation among
>
> (current/future) at-large structures.
>
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> Denise Michel
>
> dmichel@atlargestudy.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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