RE: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on .org

["Bruce Young" <Bruce@barelyadequate.info>]

I agree with Eric.  My wife's family in up-country Thailand only have
running water and electricity in their house because I paid for the wire &
pipe and helped them hook it up themselves!  Their online presence consists
of walking across town to a local public Internet terminal and logging on
there.  But I submit that my right to a voice in which direction the
Internet takes should be no more valid than theirs solely because I can
afford high-speed Internet access account and my own domain.

Our biggest challenge in the future is Internet-enabling those portions of
the world where it is currently sparely deployed.  And I would suggest that,
when embarking upon such a laudable task, that we include the affected
persons in the conversation! If we do, the result, though it might look very
different than we might envision, would likely serve their needs better
because they had a hand in it!

Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon
Bruce@barelyadequate.info
http://www.barelyadequate.info
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-----Original Message-----
From: eric@hi-tek.com [mailto:eric@hi-tek.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 11:33 PM
To: micheal@beethoven.com
Cc: Jeff Williams; Joop Teernstra; discuss@icann-ncc.org; gen full;
atlarge discuss list
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on .org


Wrong,

They want it but a homeless person can vote in California.  You are sitting
in your proper living room and assuming the rest of us live in the same kind
of room.  California embraces the inclusive model of
one person one vote with or without an address.  My homeless children in
soup kitchens are proud when their moms and dads go and vote.  Anyone can
register my church as their address, we will find them and
help deliver the mail.

Those of us working with the homeless help them with email and snail mail
and assure that they own an identity that allows them to participate in
society.  It may be all they have, or all that we can give.

Hope and being a part of the greater importance is the guiding light of the
love which elevates spirits and rehabilitates lost citizens.  In Mexico we
proclaim "Esparanza" the hope and dream.

Do not mollify the dictators into a soft understanding of what a right to
vote means to people with nothing else.

The same may be applied here.

Sincerely,
Eric
Micheal Sherrill wrote:

> Nope.  California specifically asks one to put down on a registration form
where the applicant lives and also a mailing address if it is different from
the first line.  Sure sounds like they want both.
>
> Regards,
>
> Micheal Sherrill
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> Date:  Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:27:15 -0700
>
> Michael and all
>
> Micheal Sherrill wrote:
>
> > An address is needed to prove that one is a resident of California in
order to qualify to vote.  One would think this is necessary for most, if
not all, states.
>
>   Yes, the same is true in most states.  But not a physical address.
> Residency requirements vary of course with different states in the
> US for registration to vote.  But most states do NOT require a
> physical address, just a mailing address.  Same is true in many
> EU countries, as well as in most of asia..
>
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Micheal Sherrill
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > Date:  Sat, 08 Jun 2002 21:10:02 -0700
> >
> > Joop and all,
> >
> > Joop Teernstra wrote:
> >
> > > On 09:11 a.m. 8/06/2002 -0700, Kent Crispin said:
> > >
> > > >As you know, in my opinion the ALSC (and the NAIS) simply ignored the
> > > >issues of difficulties with elections, and I have documented that
pretty
> > > >thoroughly.  Using domain name registrants doesn't address the
issues.
> > > >Domain name registrations can be bought wholesale for $6;
> > >
> > > This possible mass registration "problem" is a red herring that can
easily
> > > be overcome by building an initial voters registry that is
> >
> >   It isn't a problem anyway.  Whether registrations are in mass or not
> > is not a relevant valid concern.  Hence hardly worth even discussing
> > or debating.
> >
> > >
> > > 1. based on registrations that are at least 12 months old
> >
> >   This seem to very greatly from you comments and statements
> > in the IDNO as well as the At-Large, Joop.  In any event however
> > why should a registrant/stakeholder/user be required to wait 12 months
> > to vote on issues that would effect them or for representatives that
> > may be in a position that they would determine what may effect them
> > as well?  How can you justify this?
> >
> > >
> > > 2. applies a simple scrutiny process, like the provision of a name and
a
> > > residential address, to make reasonably (not 100%!) sure that all
voters
> > > are unique individuals.
> >
> >   Good point here finally Joop.  However residential address (Physical)
> > is not required in the US for voter registration, nor is it in a number
of
> > other modern democratic countries either.  As such, why should such
> > a requirement be imposed in this situation?
> >
> > >
> > > 3. has a certain minimum number of voters (5000?) to insure against
sudden
> > > capture by an organized group.
> >
> >   Well 5000 is not a good number, but yes, a minimum number should be
> > considered...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Joop Teernstra LL.M.--
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