Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on .org

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

Bruce - I agree with your vision here, and have spent considerable time in
the bush myself. But the real issue here is who is going to pay for it?
Remember Mel Gibson's role in Air America?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Young" <Bruce@barelyadequate.info>
To: "atlarge discuss list" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:08 AM
Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on .org


> I agree with Eric.  My wife's family in up-country Thailand only have
> running water and electricity in their house because I paid for the wire &
> pipe and helped them hook it up themselves!

See, my point exactly - in this case you paid for it. And did the work...

> Their online presence consists
> of walking across town to a local public Internet terminal and logging on
> there.  But I submit that my right to a voice in which direction the
> Internet takes should be no more valid than theirs solely because I can
> afford high-speed Internet access account and my own domain.

true, if the Internet is a global thing, a part of the human birthright, and
that means its much more than it is today. To be part of the Human
Birthright it would have to be a part of the UN and it would be the UN's
responsibility for its operations and proliferation...

>
> Our biggest challenge in the future is Internet-enabling those portions of
> the world where it is currently sparely deployed.

Again - the way things are today, who is writing the check for this? In the
US and industrialized world there is enough disposable income to handle
committing commerce over the Network, but what about in the Third World? Not
so I say, and as such there is no underlying financial flow to support the
Infrastructrue that needs to be layed out.

So then, if it were to be deployed, this infrastructure will likely be run
for some time as a financial loss. So I put it to you again, "Who is paying
for this global Internet?"

>From my perspective, when I start hearing charity's on their InfoMercials
demand money to expand and finance the Global Internet instead of just
worrying about feeding children regularly, then I will have more faith that
this global Internet is really a possible thing. Right now, at this instant
in time,  its just not the most important thing there is.

There are clearly much more pressing issues globally today like who is
buying decommissioned or stolen Russian Weapons of Mass Distruction, or for
that matter how 'we' plan to feed the populace of the world... or deal with
this "we are the only Religion with a right to exist" that it seems that
some extremists on both sides are pontificating... and that is clearly
driving the world to the brink of destruction,  and is the basis of the real
unrest in the world today. Not whether ICANN exists or not.

> And I would suggest that,
> when embarking upon such a laudable task, that we include the affected
> persons in the conversation!

Good idea!

> If we do, the result, though it might look very
> different than we might envision, would likely serve their needs better
> because they had a hand in it!

Righto!

>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon
> Bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: eric@hi-tek.com [mailto:eric@hi-tek.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 11:33 PM
> To: micheal@beethoven.com
> Cc: Jeff Williams; Joop Teernstra; discuss@icann-ncc.org; gen full;
> atlarge discuss list
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on .org
>
>
> Wrong,
>
> They want it but a homeless person can vote in California.  You are
sitting
> in your proper living room and assuming the rest of us live in the same
kind
> of room.  California embraces the inclusive model of
> one person one vote with or without an address.  My homeless children in
> soup kitchens are proud when their moms and dads go and vote.  Anyone can
> register my church as their address, we will find them and
> help deliver the mail.
>
> Those of us working with the homeless help them with email and snail mail
> and assure that they own an identity that allows them to participate in
> society.  It may be all they have, or all that we can give.
>
> Hope and being a part of the greater importance is the guiding light of
the
> love which elevates spirits and rehabilitates lost citizens.  In Mexico we
> proclaim "Esparanza" the hope and dream.
>
> Do not mollify the dictators into a soft understanding of what a right to
> vote means to people with nothing else.
>
> The same may be applied here.
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
> Micheal Sherrill wrote:
>
> > Nope.  California specifically asks one to put down on a registration
form
> where the applicant lives and also a mailing address if it is different
from
> the first line.  Sure sounds like they want both.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Micheal Sherrill
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > Date:  Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:27:15 -0700
> >
> > Michael and all
> >
> > Micheal Sherrill wrote:
> >
> > > An address is needed to prove that one is a resident of California in
> order to qualify to vote.  One would think this is necessary for most, if
> not all, states.
> >
> >   Yes, the same is true in most states.  But not a physical address.
> > Residency requirements vary of course with different states in the
> > US for registration to vote.  But most states do NOT require a
> > physical address, just a mailing address.  Same is true in many
> > EU countries, as well as in most of asia..
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Micheal Sherrill
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > Date:  Sat, 08 Jun 2002 21:10:02 -0700
> > >
> > > Joop and all,
> > >
> > > Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 09:11 a.m. 8/06/2002 -0700, Kent Crispin said:
> > > >
> > > > >As you know, in my opinion the ALSC (and the NAIS) simply ignored
the
> > > > >issues of difficulties with elections, and I have documented that
> pretty
> > > > >thoroughly.  Using domain name registrants doesn't address the
> issues.
> > > > >Domain name registrations can be bought wholesale for $6;
> > > >
> > > > This possible mass registration "problem" is a red herring that can
> easily
> > > > be overcome by building an initial voters registry that is
> > >
> > >   It isn't a problem anyway.  Whether registrations are in mass or not
> > > is not a relevant valid concern.  Hence hardly worth even discussing
> > > or debating.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. based on registrations that are at least 12 months old
> > >
> > >   This seem to very greatly from you comments and statements
> > > in the IDNO as well as the At-Large, Joop.  In any event however
> > > why should a registrant/stakeholder/user be required to wait 12 months
> > > to vote on issues that would effect them or for representatives that
> > > may be in a position that they would determine what may effect them
> > > as well?  How can you justify this?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. applies a simple scrutiny process, like the provision of a name
and
> a
> > > > residential address, to make reasonably (not 100%!) sure that all
> voters
> > > > are unique individuals.
> > >
> > >   Good point here finally Joop.  However residential address
(Physical)
> > > is not required in the US for voter registration, nor is it in a
number
> of
> > > other modern democratic countries either.  As such, why should such
> > > a requirement be imposed in this situation?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 3. has a certain minimum number of voters (5000?) to insure against
> sudden
> > > > capture by an organized group.
> > >
> > >   Well 5000 is not a good number, but yes, a minimum number should be
> > > considered...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Joop Teernstra LL.M.--
> > > >    interim webmaster
> > > > www.icannatlarge.com
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