Re: [atlarge-discuss] It could happen anywhere

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] It could happen anywhere


> Todd and all stakeholders interested parties,
>
> todd glassey wrote:
>
> > Ron may be right about the South African Governments Intent, but it
really
> > makes no difference to the bigger picture. The concept of the Global
> > Internet and a One Earth Network is still 20-50 years away I think.
>
>   The concept of a "one Earth Network" is already here for all practical
> purposes.  Yes, indeed there are a very few very remote areas of
> sparsely populated areas that cannot be reached via any kind of
> network connection.  But they are fast disappearing.

No, I think its more that what is here is a one root network.

>
> > And is
> > more political and based in the need for Countries to enforce their
> > boundaries than in technologies. The other mitigating factor is that the
> > persona that ICANN puts forth, especially with all the in-fighting going
on
> > visibly below it, is that the proposed "management of the Internet" is
> > equally incompetent.
>
>   The present form of "management of the Internet" that this ICANN
> BoD and staff are attempting to impose is indeed incompetent, and is also
> not following the White Paper and the MoU.

But there is no real reason for anyone to have to buy into the ICANN
philosophy. Anyone that would operate their own root can do this.

>
> >
> >
> > Ron, its not that the one-world idea is bad, its just that as a race, we
as
> > a global culture are not ready yet for this love-peace-knowledge picture
of
> > the Internet. Until organizations like the UN willing accept the
> > responsibility for global peace and the creation of a Terran Bill of
Rights
> > or a definition of the Human Birthright here on Earth of which this
Internet
> > is an integral part, we will have these problems.
>
>   The UN plays a role, all be it an important one, but still only a role.

Yes that's my point. WIPO is not enough.

>
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > To that end I propose that the only smart thing to do is to not fight
the
> > establishment's and let them go onward with compartmentalizing and
creating
> > eBorders from the Internet's networking model. To do this will really
piss
> > ICANN off since it means that they failed.
>
>   The present ICANN BOD and staff have already basically admitted that
> they have failed with Lynn's proposed restructure ideas, which seem to
> change radically with almost each passing day...

Yes, well when you are grasping at straws...

>
> > Not that their vision was wrong
> > individually, but that collectively they couldn't get their act
together,
> > and so now others will step in and take over as with what SA is
proposing.
>
>   Indeed true..
>
> >
> >
> > My personal feeling is that it will take the restructuring of layer two
and
> > three to accommodate but this solves many mechanical issues that ICANN
was
> > unable to address - the technology is simple...
> >
> >     1)    If a Root Zone based query/response model is erected atop DNS
then
> > we will have capability for a truly interoperable infrastructure.
>
>   Yes, and this can be several levels deep.  BTW, this is already underway
> in various forms...

Most of them leave the ICANN as the single root operator though and thats
where I decouple form the mainstream techie line at this time. The one root
concept is the problem not the answer.

>
> >
> >
> >     2)    If the layer-2/layer-3 Internet is compartmentalized into
> > definable areas and eBorders are allowed to become a reality, then
obviously
> > a NAT style gateway between each eBorderd DNS Tree could have its own
> > individual address space...
>
>   Also true, and also underway..

yes and this is being done pretty much on the QT as well. But it does
formally establish eBorders for the Internet and have them intersect at
major switching centers.

>
> >
> >
> >     3)    The creation of a flattened "global Area" in the area
constrained
> > by #1 and #2 gives us global network interoperability...
> >
> > So lets see:    #1 solves the need for more domain names... Each DNS
Zone
> > can have its own unique set of TLD's; #2 solves the availability of IP
> > Addresses since each eBordered zone would have its own IPv4 space and
talk
> > to the global Internet Interconnect though a well-knows set of
addresses.
> >
> > What more do we need?
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
> > To: <eric@hi-tek.com>
> > Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] It could happen anywhere
> >
> > Good morning, Eric,
> >
> > Eric wrote:
> >
> > >Dear Ron,
> >
> > >Ron Sherwood wrote:
> >
> > >> Dear fellow at-largers:
> > >>
> > >>     Today's report on the political battle over .za is copied below.
> > >>
> > >>     The claim that the majority of South Africans do not have access
to
> > the Internet, has nothing >>whatsoever to do with Domain Name
management.
> > It is simply political deception used to persuade the >>ignorant to
accept
> > nationalization of that management.
> > >
> > >Please show us where you get this information.  It may not be their
> > >fault but it may welll be their creation.
> >
> > The story came from the Reuters wire service with a June 7, 2002, Cape
Town,
> > South Africa dateline. It was also covered on CNN.
> >
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>
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