Re: FWD: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on .org

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

Hmmm. Would this mean that ICANN as a California corporation would have to
hold elections per the California state mandate?

t.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: <micheal@beethoven.com>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: FWD: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on
.org


> Michael and all stakeholders of interested parties,
>
>   The only problem is that as I pointed out earlier, that Physical
addresses
> are NOT required or necessary for local, most states including California,
> and the Voters Rights Act also does NOT require, in fact prohibits
> using a physical address as a reason not allowing anyone to be a
> registered voter.
>
>
> Micheal Sherrill wrote:
>
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: "Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>
> > Reply-To: <micheal@beethoven.com>
> > Date:  Sun,  9 Jun 2002 22:12:01 -0400
> >
> > Actually, we may be pushing the discussion beyond the original issue.
My initial comments were in defense of Joop Teernstra's line item number 2
below concerning the use of physical addresses to authenticate online
voters.  I agree with Joop.  If local, state, and federal elections can
depend on real addresses (as opposed to IP addresses) then it would probably
suffice for us with our elections.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Micheal Sherrill
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> > Date:  Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:30:09 -0700
> >
> > Don't forget what county and district they are a part of.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>
> > To: <micheal@beethoven.com>; "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > Cc: "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; <discuss@icann-ncc.org>;
> > "gen full" <ga-full@dnso.org>; "atlarge discuss list"
> > <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 10:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ISOC to bid on .org
> >
> > > Nope.  California specifically asks one to put down on a registration
form
> > where the applicant lives and also a mailing address if it is different
from
> > the first line.  Sure sounds like they want both.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Micheal Sherrill
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > Date:  Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:27:15 -0700
> > >
> > > Michael and all
> > >
> > > Micheal Sherrill wrote:
> > >
> > > > An address is needed to prove that one is a resident of California
in
> > order to qualify to vote.  One would think this is necessary for most,
if
> > not all, states.
> > >
> > >   Yes, the same is true in most states.  But not a physical address.
> > > Residency requirements vary of course with different states in the
> > > US for registration to vote.  But most states do NOT require a
> > > physical address, just a mailing address.  Same is true in many
> > > EU countries, as well as in most of asia..
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Micheal Sherrill
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > > From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > > Date:  Sat, 08 Jun 2002 21:10:02 -0700
> > > >
> > > > Joop and all,
> > > >
> > > > Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 09:11 a.m. 8/06/2002 -0700, Kent Crispin said:
> > > > >
> > > > > >As you know, in my opinion the ALSC (and the NAIS) simply ignored
the
> > > > > >issues of difficulties with elections, and I have documented that
> > pretty
> > > > > >thoroughly.  Using domain name registrants doesn't address the
> > issues.
> > > > > >Domain name registrations can be bought wholesale for $6;
> > > > >
> > > > > This possible mass registration "problem" is a red herring that
can
> > easily
> > > > > be overcome by building an initial voters registry that is
> > > >
> > > >   It isn't a problem anyway.  Whether registrations are in mass or
not
> > > > is not a relevant valid concern.  Hence hardly worth even discussing
> > > > or debating.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. based on registrations that are at least 12 months old
> > > >
> > > >   This seem to very greatly from you comments and statements
> > > > in the IDNO as well as the At-Large, Joop.  In any event however
> > > > why should a registrant/stakeholder/user be required to wait 12
months
> > > > to vote on issues that would effect them or for representatives that
> > > > may be in a position that they would determine what may effect them
> > > > as well?  How can you justify this?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. applies a simple scrutiny process, like the provision of a name
and
> > a
> > > > > residential address, to make reasonably (not 100%!) sure that all
> > voters
> > > > > are unique individuals.
> > > >
> > > >   Good point here finally Joop.  However residential address
(Physical)
> > > > is not required in the US for voter registration, nor is it in a
number
> > of
> > > > other modern democratic countries either.  As such, why should such
> > > > a requirement be imposed in this situation?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. has a certain minimum number of voters (5000?) to insure
against
> > sudden
> > > > > capture by an organized group.
> > > >
> > > >   Well 5000 is not a good number, but yes, a minimum number should
be
> > > > considered...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Joop Teernstra LL.M.--
> > > > >    interim webmaster
> > > > > www.icannatlarge.com
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