Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [nc-transfer] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] WLSproposal

["Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>]

Hello Todd and Eric:

SPAM, I think we all agree, is the scourge of the Internet.  I think we all agree, as well, that the Whois, postings, and online forums are mined for potential hits by SPAMers.  However, we have a saying here in California that we do not want to throw out the baby with the bath water.  Which means, that we may be discarding more than we think when we try to get rid of something we do not want.  In this case, the Whois is not only a source of SPAM but it is also used to fight SPAM.  If we get rid of the Whois we will still have SPAM and, greatly reduced resources to track it and fight it.

But, I do agree that making it a felony to not correctly report a physical address for a domain name is Draconian.  It is poorly written legislation that should go back for some revisement.

What we need to do, I think, is make SPAM illegal, period.  SPAM should be a federal and international violation.  Do not hide from it by eliminating the Whois.  Have the Whois find the SPAMers and send them to jail, instead.

Regards,


Micheal Sherrill


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: eric@hi-tek.com
Date:  Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:12:46 -0700

Hugh,
This is a great service and I believe that nowadays it is a good idea.
We found ourselves sitting in a Federal Courthouse explaining to a judge that
@hi-tek.com only meant that we hosted an email account and had nothing to do with
what our client did with domain names.  It cost about five grand in attorneys
fees, and we did all the talking because nobody with a law degree seemed to
understand email. That was 98-99 and I think we have come a long way.

Whois, Transfers and WLS are issues created as revenue sources for Verisign.
We definitely need to organize some consumer groups to guard our rights.  And I
think we are as long as we keep our eye on the ball and avoid too many wild
pitches.

Eric

Hugh Blair wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: todd glassey
> >
> > I actually just got my first piece of SPAM email that I can clearly identify
> > as being from someone's illegal harvesting of WHOIS data. What is also
> > interesting is that BANKONE sent me a US Mail advertisement and mailed to
> > the street address of the "Whois" domain address I just got the SPAM sent
> > to. Since there are no other references to this entity anywhere on this
> > planet that I know of there is only one possible place the data came from.
> > WHOIS.
>
> I'm really sorry to hear that, but...
>
> Welcome to our world. The more domain names you own or manage, the more
> SPAM you'll get. Especially if they're new registrations. Those are a special
> target. I have several domain names that use unique information that is not
> posted anywhere else but in the WHOIS - yet they get SPAM as quick as within a
> week.  That's why I set up http://www.hiddenregistration.com/  Folks don't
> have to agree with the concept - or use it - but for those that need to be
> hidden, it works.
>
> It's nasty out here.
>
> --
>     Hugh
>
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