Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [nc-transfer] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] WLSproposal

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

I agree 100 % with you Micheal. But the interesting thing is that the US
legislation on SPAM was as it was.SPAM is unlike the garbage that you get as
second and third class mailings in with the real postal mail because you
have top pay for the spam whether you read it or not. If you do not want
second or third class mailings delivered to your house, its a simple
procedure to have them blocked. Its impossible now to really block spam
unless the mail is presorted to determine what it is.

StripMIME and other SPAM Filters (Spamassassin, et al.) do 60% of it but you
are right that there are too many cases to catch them all. The real issue is
not in making SPAM illegal but in enforcing its illegality.

Todd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>
To: "Hugh Blair" <hblair@hotfootmail.com>; <eric@hi-tek.com>
Cc: "atlarge discuss list" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; "gen full"
<ga-full@dnso.org>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [nc-transfer] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss]
WLSproposal


> Hello Todd and Eric:
>
> SPAM, I think we all agree, is the scourge of the Internet.  I think we
all agree, as well, that the Whois, postings, and online forums are mined
for potential hits by SPAMers.  However, we have a saying here in California
that we do not want to throw out the baby with the bath water.  Which means,
that we may be discarding more than we think when we try to get rid of
something we do not want.  In this case, the Whois is not only a source of
SPAM but it is also used to fight SPAM.  If we get rid of the Whois we will
still have SPAM and, greatly reduced resources to track it and fight it.
>
> But, I do agree that making it a felony to not correctly report a physical
address for a domain name is Draconian.  It is poorly written legislation
that should go back for some revisement.
>
> What we need to do, I think, is make SPAM illegal, period.  SPAM should be
a federal and international violation.  Do not hide from it by eliminating
the Whois.  Have the Whois find the SPAMers and send them to jail, instead.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Micheal Sherrill
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: eric@hi-tek.com
> Date:  Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:12:46 -0700
>
> Hugh,
> This is a great service and I believe that nowadays it is a good idea.
> We found ourselves sitting in a Federal Courthouse explaining to a judge
that
> @hi-tek.com only meant that we hosted an email account and had nothing to
do with
> what our client did with domain names.  It cost about five grand in
attorneys
> fees, and we did all the talking because nobody with a law degree seemed
to
> understand email. That was 98-99 and I think we have come a long way.
>
> Whois, Transfers and WLS are issues created as revenue sources for
Verisign.
> We definitely need to organize some consumer groups to guard our rights.
And I
> think we are as long as we keep our eye on the ball and avoid too many
wild
> pitches.
>
> Eric
>
> Hugh Blair wrote:
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: todd glassey
> > >
> > > I actually just got my first piece of SPAM email that I can clearly
identify
> > > as being from someone's illegal harvesting of WHOIS data. What is also
> > > interesting is that BANKONE sent me a US Mail advertisement and mailed
to
> > > the street address of the "Whois" domain address I just got the SPAM
sent
> > > to. Since there are no other references to this entity anywhere on
this
> > > planet that I know of there is only one possible place the data came
from.
> > > WHOIS.
> >
> > I'm really sorry to hear that, but...
> >
> > Welcome to our world. The more domain names you own or manage, the more
> > SPAM you'll get. Especially if they're new registrations. Those are a
special
> > target. I have several domain names that use unique information that is
not
> > posted anywhere else but in the WHOIS - yet they get SPAM as quick as
within a
> > week.  That's why I set up http://www.hiddenregistration.com/  Folks
don't
> > have to agree with the concept - or use it - but for those that need to
be
> > hidden, it works.
> >
> > It's nasty out here.
> >
> > --
> >     Hugh
> >
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