Re: [atlarge-discuss] No icannatlarge.com reps on ERC task force - More zero sum gaming

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Vittorio and all stakeholders or other interested parties,

Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:58:28 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >What does concern me is that Candidates Piniero and Bertola have publicly disassociated themselves with icannatlarge.com by accepting their seats on the Committee as representatives of other organizations.
>
> Ok, first of all, let's make some facts clear.
>
> First, I am the coordinator of the ICANN working group of the Italian
> Chapter of ISOC since well before this group was founded. In fact, our
> Chapter believes in user representation in ICANN; this is why we've
> been supporting icannatlarge.com since the beginning (for example,
> most of the few icannatlarge.com members from Italy come from our
> Chapter), and this is why we've been volunteering all along the At
> Large process (for example, ISOC Italy and I were the main organizers
> of the outreach effort that led 1670 Italians to register for the
> first At Large elections in year 2000). We also volunteered to
> participate in the ALOC, as many other ISOC Chapters.

  Yet Vittorio the ISOC regardless of chapter has not individual members
any longer.  Hence is is more akin to a trade organization than
and organization that represents what the ISOC's very name
implies...

>
>
> So, when icannatlarge.com had to choose its representatives, there
> already were two other panel members (Sotiris and Satyajit) who wanted
> to do it.

  Yes.  But why does it only or need to be a panel member of
ICANNATLARGE.COM to sit on this task force?  Could it
also not be any ICANNATLARGE.COM member?  Others
did volunteer you know...

> As I knew that I would anyway have had to represent my
> Chapter, it seemed better to me not to be the icannatlarge.com
> representative too, so that we could in the end have one more
> icannatlarge.com member in the ALOC.

  The number of  ICANNATLARGE.COM members in the in the
ALOC is fine but should not be all that important to our
ICANNATLARGE.COM members as we should be sufficiently
independent as we are supposed to be anyway.

>
>
> Second, a call was issued in the ALOC for members of this task force.
> It was issued with the usual hurried timeline (Friday afternoon for
> Monday morning).

  Yes, and this was divisive IMHO...

> Anyway, the people in the task force, plus Hans
> Klein, answered by the deadline. Then, on Monday morning Denise Michel
> announced the composition of the task force, and ten minutes later
> Sotiris replied to her message asking to be included too. As I already
> said, I can't see no reason why Sotiris should not be included, anyway
> it seems that Denise has not accepted his reply due to its lateness.

  Well this has been the mode of operation from Denise and Esther
as well for some time now.  Were you surprised?  I sure was not...

>
> As for Satyajit, he hasn't volunteered for such group at all - in
> fact, as far as I recall, he never posted any message to the ALOC
> list.

  What ALOC list?  Where is such a list?  Is it archived?

> If both of us had answered by the deadline, I guess (I can only
> guess, given Hans's case) that they would have been included both.

  Bad guess here I think Vittorio...

>
>
> I am not happy at all at the way this task force has been formed. It
> raises serious doubts on the actual freedom of such task force.

  Agreed.

>
> However, now I want to ask a question to you (and anyone else). Is it
> better a task force that has some icannatlarge.com members, even if
> with other affiliations, or is it better if none of our members takes
> part to the task force?

  This is really not the right way to ask what I think you are wanting
to know.  Rather, if they take place in this task force they should
be willing to sign an affidavit, such as publicly held corps sometimes
have to do to serve on such a Task Force that temporarily recuses
them of any duties with their current affiliations...  I have had to do
this many times for instance.  And would do it again without
reservation...

> Do you really think that I, Gabriel Pineiro,
> Hans Klein, Peter Shane, Izumi Aizu, are making a mistake in
> participating in this?

  I personally don't think any of the names you list here should be
serving on the task force unless you are elected to that task force
as the ICANNATLARGE.COM rep for such, or any other
task force...

> Or we'd better leave the task of drafting the
> public's voice in the Blueprint process only to the other ALOC
> participants? (This is not a rhetorical question: I've been asking it
> to myself repeatedly.)

  Good point here.  The likely reality is that no ICANNATLARGE.COM
member will be on any such ALOC task force anyway given the example
that you mentioned above of Denise's method of handling such a call
for such task force members...

  You should understand by now, ICANN is predominantly a
zero sum game...

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