Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [aloc] Proposed Final Draft of ALOC Submission (Vers. 3.0)

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Richard and all stakeholders of other interested parties,

Richard Henderson wrote:

> Denise Michel to Hans Klein:
>
> >Personally, I think your text is ill-advised and should not be included.
> >
> >And, BTW, my opinion does matter.  I am not (as you say) your "facilitator"
> >in this matter.  As one of the people the ERC asked to convene the
> >assistance group to draft the document, I share a large burden of the
> >responsibility for submitting a substantive proposal -- and I am drafting
> >it.  It's way too confusing having multiple people re-writing, editing and
> >re-naming documents and suggesting new release processes.  So please
> respect
> >the process, and I, in turn, will continue to solicit any substantive work
> >you would like to submit.
>
> OK: let's analyse this...
>
> >Personally, I think your text is ill-advised and should not be included.
>
> And you, Denise (NOT an AtLarge representative) are judging what should be
> included, contrary to Hans (who IS an AtLarge representative)...  top-down
> not bottom up

  Well Richard, Denise has a right to express her opinion.  Lets not
take that away from her or criticize her for that basic right.  That said
however, if she should abuse her now again restated "Role" as she
did in the ALSC on several times, with the ALOC and decide that
she would IMPOSE her opinion on any group of stakeholders/users
in their name, than she is acting in an way that is far from ethical...

>
>
> >And, BTW, my opinion does matter.
>
> Denise's opinion and right to draft how "our" committee is projected (though
> Denise does NOT represent the AtLarge community) and although the AtLarge
> did not ask Denise to do this... top-down not bottom up

  Very good point here.  Denise was not elected or ask by any democratic
process that I am familiar with for her to determine that she can than
decide on her own that "Our" committee is projected...

>
>
> >I am not (as you say) your "facilitator"
>
> Ah! Exactly as I feared! Imposed from above by ICANN, not to facilitate, but
> to push through an unwanted agenda - did the AtLarge ask for this (or for
> you)? ... top-down not bottom up

  Right on point here!

>
>
> >and I am drafting it.  It's way too confusing having multiple people
>
> So someone who does NOT represent the AtLarge community is putting it
> together? Did the At Large community ask you to construct an ALAC for them?
> At least Hans Klein's views have the legitimacy of coming from the At
> Large's own community. Who actually asked you to do this, Denise? Answer:
> the ICANN Board ... top-down not bottom up

  Also on point here as well Richard!

>
>
> >So please respect the process
>
> Why?
>
> It's not our process and it's taken the place of our elected Board members
>
> Why respect the process?

  When a process does not respect the individual stakeholder/user
than it is not a legitimate process at all.

>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *
> Richard Henderson
>
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