Re: [atlarge-discuss] full transparency

[Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>]

Joop,

If you read and understood the final message you quote where you wrote:

> Good news for the icannatlarge.
 > you show us how much better you can do.
 >
 > Please build a new site from scratch.

To which I responded:

"Tell you what, I'll do it for the $1000 USD that InternetNZ wishes to donate to
ICANNAtLarge.com.  Everyone OK with that?"

You'd understand that I was simply responding to your challenge to build a new site
in an indignant tone.  I was pissed off that you were ripping us off, plain and
simple.  Anyone in this organization with even a minimum of web design experience
can take one look at your web site product and I am 100% certain that they would
agree that your USD$5300 price tag was simply incredible.  I once thought that you
were an asset to any User's organization, I see now that you are a liability.  You
were the cause of the IDNO's demise (and not William Walsh or anyone else), and now
you are a prime cause in the stagnation of this organization.  Your refusal to give
the web site passwords to the Panel speaks volumes and completes the picture of
your control oriented participation for which you even expect to be handsomely
rewarded...  Well Joop, as a current and possible future member of this
organization's Steering Panel I stand opposed to ANY further monies being paid to
you for the work you produced.  We did not hire you.  Go to Esther Dyson and ask
her to pay your bills.  The monies donated by InternetNZ are for the organization
ICANNAtLarge.com to dispense with as is fitting for its needs.

In point of fact, just to prove a point, I am willing to create an entirely new web
site for ICANNAtLarge.com employing the Post-Nuke Content Management System, as
well as providing the web hosting - FREE OF CHARGE!  But I will not do so if any
further monies are paid to you for the whacky fees you wish to levy on our
organization.  IMO ICANNAtLarge.com DOES NOT OWE YOU A SINGLE RED CENT.  I know you
probably had plans for the $1000 from InternetNZ you still appear to consider
earmarked for yourself, but I will do my best to ensure that you do not get it.  I
suggest you drop the issue as it really looks pretty bad on you Mr. Teernstra.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos


Joop Teernstra wrote:

> One of the candidates, Sotiris Sotiropoulos, instead of realizing that we
> should stand united in this hour,  is now accusing me of lying about his
> actions as elected interim Panel member.
> I believe I spoke the truth.
>
> All I can do is provide Sotiris' correspondence to this list and let the
> members judge for themselves. (there were no follow-up postings from other
> Panel members) .
> I again urge the future Panel not to let any future Panel correspondence
> about icannatlarge's website be unarchived.
>
> 1.
> From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> Organization: Hermes Network, Inc.
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en]C-SYMPA  (Win98; U)
> X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> CC: Vittorio Bertola <vb@vitaminic.net>,
>          Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>,
>          James Love <love@cptech.org>,
>          Wolfgang Kleinwaechter <wolfgang@imv.au.dk>,
>          Satyajit Gupta <satyajitg@hotmail.com>, Izumi Aizu <izumi@anr.org>
> Subject: Re: InternetNZ request to fiat payment *by InternetNZ*
> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20020608102945.021b9138@pop.paradise.net.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
>  >
>  > I very much appreciate Sotiris' good intentions, but it is an impractical
>  > approach that will make the site look bad.
>
> Joop, the site could not look any worse than it does now, I'm afraid.  The
> design is poor in function and appearance, not to mention that your logo is
> just frightful. I am actually appalled at what you're charging for such work.
> If anything, I was trying to salvage the thing.
>
>  > I have no problems with Sotiris making an entire new website design and
>  > taking over as webmaster.
>
> My services in that department must needs be paid for just like yours.
>
>  >
>  >
>  > Please understand that I am not the sole owner of Imachination Ltd and that
>  > I have no right to burden the company with what is seen as my personal
>  > interest.
>
> If you don't mind, just how much have you received as payment to date for
> "services rendered"?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
> 2.
> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 22:50:39 -0400
> From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> Organization: Hermes Network, Inc.
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en]C-SYMPA  (Win98; U)
> X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> CC: Vittorio Bertola <vb@vitaminic.net>,
>          Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>,
>          James Love <love@cptech.org>,
>          Wolfgang Kleinwaechter <wolfgang@imv.au.dk>,
>          Satyajit Gupta <satyajitg@hotmail.com>, Izumi Aizu <izumi@anr.org>
> Subject: Re: InternetNZ request to fiat payment *by InternetNZ*
> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20020608102945.021b9138@pop.paradise.net.nz>
> <5.0.2.1.2.20020608121854.021b9138@pop.paradise.net.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Joop,
>
> By my calculation on your figures as listed on
> http://www.icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77 your price amounts to
> roughly
> $3700 USD.  BTW, perhaps you could show me which one of the fee schedules
> on the
> referenced forum page is the correct one to calculate by... it's kind of
> confusing.  Yet, even if it were $2750 USD, I'd have to say that is still
> way too
> high a figure.  For half of that I would have set up an organized Content
> Management System portal system via Post-Nuke with an integrated web forum, irc
> chat, along with a range of catchy graphical design elements like banners,
> icons
> etc., PLUS I would have had plenty of time to update what IMHO little
> update work
> there has been, elections included.
>
> HOWEVER, I am not going to argue with you over this any further.  My final
> comments
> on this are simply that your fees are quite exorbitant.
>
> As for an apology for the quotation marks, you have it;  I am sorry, but I
> don't
> consider the final product worth the price.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
> Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
>  > At 07:20 p.m. 7/06/2002 -0400, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>  >
>  > >Joop, the site could not look any worse than it does now, I'm afraid.  The
>  > >design is poor in function and appearance, not to mention that your logo is
>  > >just frightful. I am actually appalled at what you're charging for such
> work.
>  >
>  > Do I need to justify myself here? Or can Panel members understand that many
>  > hours have been spend in frequent updates, especially during the election
>  > period.
>  >
>  > >If anything, I was trying to salvage the thing.
>  >
>  > You are welcome. The logo was not designed. The "computer lib" icon was
>  > added after the debacle in Accra. If the Panel votes for its removal, that
>  > will take no time at all.
>  >
>  > > > I have no problems with Sotiris making an entire new website design and
>  > > > taking over as webmaster.
>  > >
>  > >My services in that department must needs be paid for just like yours.
>  >
>  > Which leads me to initiating a call for a new webmaster.
>  >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > Please understand that I am not the sole owner of Imachination Ltd
> and that
>  > > > I have no right to burden the company with what is seen as my personal
>  > > > interest.
>  > >
>  > >If you don't mind, just how much have you received as payment to date for
>  > >"services rendered"?
>  >
>  > $2750 as is publicly stated on the website under funding.
>  > An apology for the speechmarks would be appreciated, Sotiris.
>
> 3.
> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:44:08 -0400
> From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> Organization: Hermes Network, Inc.
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en]C-SYMPA  (Win98; U)
> X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> CC: Vittorio Bertola <vb@vitaminic.net>,
>          Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>,
>          James Love <love@cptech.org>,
>          Wolfgang Kleinwaechter <wolfgang@imv.au.dk>,
>          Satyajit Gupta <satyajitg@hotmail.com>, Izumi Aizu <izumi@anr.org>
> Subject: Re: InternetNZ request to fiat payment *by InternetNZ*
> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20020608102945.021b9138@pop.paradise.net.nz>
>         <5.0.2.1.2.20020608121854.021b9138@pop.paradise.net.nz>
> <5.0.2.1.2.20020608150306.017ed9a8@pop.paradise.net.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
>  > Good news for the icannatlarge.
>  > you show us how much better you can do.
>  >
>  > Please build a new site from scratch.
>
> Tell you what, I'll do it for the $1000 USD that InternetNZ wishes to donate to
> ICANNAtLarge.com.  Everyone OK with that?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.fitug.de
> For additional commands, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-help@lists.fitug.de


---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.fitug.de
For additional commands, e-mail: atlarge-discuss-help@lists.fitug.de