Re: [atlarge-discuss] Question 2 for Jamie

[Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>]

At 11:51 a.m. 28/07/2002 -0400, James Love wrote:
>Joop, rather than have members struggle to find the links to the archives, 
>buried between Ira Magiziners comments and other random links, and then 
>try to figure out what happened, it might be useful to report decisions 
>the panel does make, when it actually makes decisions.

The archive  links are not "buried" .They are the top two links and always 
were. Apart from that your suggestion is good, but comes 3 months late.
What should have happened is that the Chair would cc the Voting Record to 
the webmaster and  request publication of every Voting Record on the website.
As it was, Vittorio found it better to exclude the webmaster from the Panel 
discussion list, and engage in unarchived  private communication.
And the communication for which he used you as intermediary is even more 
questionable. I challenge you  to publish what you wrote me on Fri, 19 Jul 
2002 11:55:07 -0400
That would shed some light on what was *really* the issue.

>    For example, as an illustration, votes 7 and 8 deal with the web page 
> management...  I can imagine a list of these official panel votes, with 
> the proposal and the actual votes.   What I have below seems to be 4 yes 
> and 1 no on vote 7, and 5 yes on vote 8.     If these were reported in 
> some logical way it could also help the panel members by knowing if there 
> vote had been recorded or not, something that people sometimes don't 
> appreciate during the back and forth on an issue.  For example, here, 
> Izumi participated in the debate, but I'm not sure if he ever formally voted.
>
>I would also call your attention to the thread beginning here on the 
>control over the passwords.
>http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-panel/0205/msg00070.html
>
>For the web page, here are the people who expressed support for having the 
>panel decide who has access to the web page passwords, including the 
>several alternatives (the whole panel, a few members of the panel, people 
>designated by the panel).
>      VB, Izumi, RH, JL, sg.
>
>VB made a specific proposal to give the following persons passwords to the 
>site,
>
>Izumi Aizu
>Vittorio Bertola
>Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
>And there was discussion also of having Sotiris making some changes on the 
>web site.  In my opinion, this is what the panel wanted to do.

Not the same as "Vittorio has full support" for the handover of the 
passwords to himself and Sotiris.
I was unable to check your reference as Thomas' server was down. But I may 
have read it before.

>Even though I did not see VB bring these points to another formal vote, 
>beyond the discussions mentioned above, the was ZERO support for having 
>you make all the decisions on who gets access to the web site.

That specific policy position was never brought up, let alone brought to a 
vote.

>  This is why I told you that VB has the full support of the panel on this 
> issue.   At this point, it will be an issue for the new panel, and I do 
> hope one of the first orders of business is to address the web page 
> management issue.

So do I. Web page *content* management procedures are  uncontroversial. 
That is what the interim Panel should have laid out as a first task and I 
agree this is a priority for the next Panel.
But FTP access, a "control grab" beyond the interim Panel's mandate, that 
can make the entire website disappear or change it beyond recognition, 
apart from the fact that multiple access rights  creates the problem if 
"who changed what" , is highly controversial.

Only  a clear Vote from a majority of the Panel might have  absolved me 
from the responsibility of giving out FTP passwords to specifically named 
persons and candidates in this election.

You have not demonstrated that there was such a Panel Resolution.

>I will further note that the issue of control over the web site was given 
>a higher priority when we discovered we were being billed for your work on 
>the web site, something I had not been aware of before, and to which we 
>had never agreed.

You keep on repeating that myth.
The Panel was not being billed. InternetNZ was, at their own request.
Pledges Total and Website cost were  specified from the start of the 
website work back in february 2002.
www.icannatlarge.com/funding.htm

For a Supervisory Panel member, even interim, you should have been more 
familiar with the website.

Anyway,

My ballot form goes out today.
Thanks for trying to answer the questions.


--Joop Teernstra LL.M.--
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