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RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name for Organisation
> >Anyway, one thing I am sure of: a broadbased grassroots organization
> >sticking strictly to an ICANN-set agenda is extremely
> unlikely to happen,
> >and I can't see reading the equivalent of a book a day in
> list postings
> >plus doing a lot of volunteer work to try to get one going.
> If we can't
> >define our goals in terms the average reasonable Internet user can
> >comprehend and relate to, the resulting organization will be
> far from
> >representative of the world even if it does get 100,000
> members from the
> >techie community.
DNS management does not mean ICANN - it means DNS management with or
without ICANN (my preference) so that
> >the rest of the world ... can have
> >affordable,uncensored access to news and information from
> around the world
> >and the right to speak their own minds.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joey Borda **star*walker** [mailto:starwalker@gay.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:48 AM
> To: espresso@e-scape.net; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name for Organisation
>
>
> Monday, August 12, 2002 * 8:46 AM EDT USA
>
> HEAR! HEAR!
>
> (Parliamentary speaking, of course.)
>
> /s/ Joey
>
> At 01:59 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
>
> >BUT I see another role for us which is no less important: to
> demonstrate
> >how a democratic global community of Internet users can
> organize the
> >grassroots electoral process needed to ensure that Internet
> governance is
> >transferred to and remains in responsible hands -- that is,
> in the hands
> >of people who see administration of the Internet as a sacred
> trust rather
> >than an opportunity for commercial control and personal
> empire-building,
> >and who are directly answerable to the people who elect them.
>
> >Anyway, one thing I am sure of: a broadbased grassroots organization
> >sticking strictly to an ICANN-set agenda is extremely
> unlikely to happen,
> >and I can't see reading the equivalent of a book a day in
> list postings
> >plus doing a lot of volunteer work to try to get one going.
> If we can't
> >define our goals in terms the average reasonable Internet user can
> >comprehend and relate to, the resulting organization will be
> far from
> >representative of the world even if it does get 100,000
> members from the
> >techie community.
>
>
> ----------
> Full text of original message
>
> ----------
> At 01:59 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> >At 21:32 -0700 2002/08/09, Bruce Young wrote:
> > >I agree. Keep tightly focused on our core concerns, which
> for now parallel
> > >ICANNs. We'll have plenty of time to expand our scope
> once we have the
> > >membership to support it!
> >
> >What we have here, I think, is a classic chicken vs. egg argument.
> >
> >If our "core concerns" are defined narrowly -- primarily in terms of
> >ICANN, DNS administration, licencing of registrars, etc. -- the vast
> >majority of the population (including myself) will have
> little reason to
> >wish to devote a lot of time to this initiative.
> >
> >If our "core concerns" are defined too broadly, we'll be
> deluged with
> >members who will press to have energy directed towards
> digital divide
> >issues, questions of governance by unelected supranational
> >bodies, questions about infrastructure being left to the
> private sector,
> >and lord knows what else... and who won't know or care what
> a root server
> >is, let alone who owns it or whether it's properly backed up
> and protected.
> >
> >I would place myself somewhere in the middle in the
> argument: I may be
> >firmly convinced in my own mind that the egg comes first but I do
> >recognize that the chicken is required to make more.
> >
> >That is to say, I see one of our prime roles is to critique
> the way ICANN
> >was set up, the way it set out to "fulfill" its mandate in
> PR terms but
> >not in reality, the way it has now eliminated even that
> token effort while
> >claiming exclusive rights over the Internet which were never
> legally given
> >to it, etc.
> >
> >BUT I see another role for us which is no less important: to
> demonstrate
> >how a democratic global community of Internet users can
> organize the
> >grassroots electoral process needed to ensure that Internet
> governance is
> >transferred to and remains in responsible hands -- that is,
> in the hands
> >of people who see administration of the Internet as a sacred
> trust rather
> >than an opportunity for commercial control and personal
> empire-building,
> >and who are directly answerable to the people who elect them.
> >
> >Personally, I do not believe this can be done by
> encompassing only those
> >who are already working in the ICT industries or interested
> specifically
> >in the technology for its own sake.
> >
> >If we believe in a democratic Internet, it makes no sense to
> hand the
> >control over it to what is, in effect, merely a larger
> technological elite
> >than the one ICANN is drawn from... and probably one with no better
> >understanding of the global social and political issues
> which must be
> >addressed if the Internet is to be a public good rather than an
> >exploitable product. We would need a much broader base of
> support, which
> >means taking on an educational function: teaching the "world
> at large"
> >what Internet governance is and why it matters, actively
> helping Internet
> >users to organize themselves and speak collectively about
> what they need
> >from the Net, etc.
> >
> >That's a MUCH bigger job than merely countering ICANN's position on
> >various issues or trying to elect people to work from within
> the existing
> >system of powerless committees whose recommendations can be safely
> >ignored. But if we are not prepared to take that on, I
> suspect the most
> >productive thing those in this group can do is to focus on
> educating their
> >own elected government representatives to the issues and
> trying to form
> >national or regional pressure groups which might have some
> impact on U.S.
> >government policy.
> >
> >Anyway, one thing I am sure of: a broadbased grassroots organization
> >sticking strictly to an ICANN-set agenda is extremely
> unlikely to happen,
> >and I can't see reading the equivalent of a book a day in
> list postings
> >plus doing a lot of volunteer work to try to get one going.
> If we can't
> >define our goals in terms the average reasonable Internet user can
> >comprehend and relate to, the resulting organization will be
> far from
> >representative of the world even if it does get 100,000
> members from the
> >techie community.
> >
> >Sorry if this makes me a wet blanket but I'm over 50 and
> only a semi-geek
> >so I'd probably want to put my own energies into something
> else of more
> >use to the rest of the world, like making sure that they can have
> >affordable,uncensored access to news and information from
> around the world
> >and the right to speak their own minds.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Judyth
> >
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> >Judyth Mermelstein "cogito ergo lego ergo cogito..."
> >Montreal, QC <espresso@e-scape.net>
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> >"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once
> >they have exhausted all other alternatives." (Abba Eban)
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> >
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