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Re: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name for Organisation
J. You are 100% on when you say that Domain Interests clearly also mean
more than DNS, they also pertain to the mechanisms in which the Internet is
operated. And to some extent may also play into the peering or how DNS names
are resolved (i.e. root issues and the politics around them).
Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
To: "'Joey Borda **star*walker**'" <starwalker@gay.com>;
<espresso@e-scape.net>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Cc: "Joanna Lane (E-mail)" <jo-uk@rcn.com>; "Hans Klein (E-mail)"
<hans.klein@pubpolicy.gatech.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name for Organisation
> > >Anyway, one thing I am sure of: a broadbased grassroots organization
> > >sticking strictly to an ICANN-set agenda is extremely
> > unlikely to happen,
> > >and I can't see reading the equivalent of a book a day in
> > list postings
> > >plus doing a lot of volunteer work to try to get one going.
> > If we can't
> > >define our goals in terms the average reasonable Internet user can
> > >comprehend and relate to, the resulting organization will be
> > far from
> > >representative of the world even if it does get 100,000
> > members from the
> > >techie community.
>
> DNS management does not mean ICANN - it means DNS management with or
> without ICANN (my preference) so that
>
> > >the rest of the world ... can have
> > >affordable,uncensored access to news and information from
> > around the world
> > >and the right to speak their own minds.
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joey Borda **star*walker** [mailto:starwalker@gay.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:48 AM
> > To: espresso@e-scape.net; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name for Organisation
> >
> >
> > Monday, August 12, 2002 * 8:46 AM EDT USA
> >
> > HEAR! HEAR!
> >
> > (Parliamentary speaking, of course.)
> >
> > /s/ Joey
> >
> > At 01:59 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> >
> > >BUT I see another role for us which is no less important: to
> > demonstrate
> > >how a democratic global community of Internet users can
> > organize the
> > >grassroots electoral process needed to ensure that Internet
> > governance is
> > >transferred to and remains in responsible hands -- that is,
> > in the hands
> > >of people who see administration of the Internet as a sacred
> > trust rather
> > >than an opportunity for commercial control and personal
> > empire-building,
> > >and who are directly answerable to the people who elect them.
> >
> > >Anyway, one thing I am sure of: a broadbased grassroots organization
> > >sticking strictly to an ICANN-set agenda is extremely
> > unlikely to happen,
> > >and I can't see reading the equivalent of a book a day in
> > list postings
> > >plus doing a lot of volunteer work to try to get one going.
> > If we can't
> > >define our goals in terms the average reasonable Internet user can
> > >comprehend and relate to, the resulting organization will be
> > far from
> > >representative of the world even if it does get 100,000
> > members from the
> > >techie community.
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > Full text of original message
> >
> > ----------
> > At 01:59 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, espresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> > >At 21:32 -0700 2002/08/09, Bruce Young wrote:
> > > >I agree. Keep tightly focused on our core concerns, which
> > for now parallel
> > > >ICANNs. We'll have plenty of time to expand our scope
> > once we have the
> > > >membership to support it!
> > >
> > >What we have here, I think, is a classic chicken vs. egg argument.
> > >
> > >If our "core concerns" are defined narrowly -- primarily in terms of
> > >ICANN, DNS administration, licencing of registrars, etc. -- the vast
> > >majority of the population (including myself) will have
> > little reason to
> > >wish to devote a lot of time to this initiative.
> > >
> > >If our "core concerns" are defined too broadly, we'll be
> > deluged with
> > >members who will press to have energy directed towards
> > digital divide
> > >issues, questions of governance by unelected supranational
> > >bodies, questions about infrastructure being left to the
> > private sector,
> > >and lord knows what else... and who won't know or care what
> > a root server
> > >is, let alone who owns it or whether it's properly backed up
> > and protected.
> > >
> > >I would place myself somewhere in the middle in the
> > argument: I may be
> > >firmly convinced in my own mind that the egg comes first but I do
> > >recognize that the chicken is required to make more.
> > >
> > >That is to say, I see one of our prime roles is to critique
> > the way ICANN
> > >was set up, the way it set out to "fulfill" its mandate in
> > PR terms but
> > >not in reality, the way it has now eliminated even that
> > token effort while
> > >claiming exclusive rights over the Internet which were never
> > legally given
> > >to it, etc.
> > >
> > >BUT I see another role for us which is no less important: to
> > demonstrate
> > >how a democratic global community of Internet users can
> > organize the
> > >grassroots electoral process needed to ensure that Internet
> > governance is
> > >transferred to and remains in responsible hands -- that is,
> > in the hands
> > >of people who see administration of the Internet as a sacred
> > trust rather
> > >than an opportunity for commercial control and personal
> > empire-building,
> > >and who are directly answerable to the people who elect them.
> > >
> > >Personally, I do not believe this can be done by
> > encompassing only those
> > >who are already working in the ICT industries or interested
> > specifically
> > >in the technology for its own sake.
> > >
> > >If we believe in a democratic Internet, it makes no sense to
> > hand the
> > >control over it to what is, in effect, merely a larger
> > technological elite
> > >than the one ICANN is drawn from... and probably one with no better
> > >understanding of the global social and political issues
> > which must be
> > >addressed if the Internet is to be a public good rather than an
> > >exploitable product. We would need a much broader base of
> > support, which
> > >means taking on an educational function: teaching the "world
> > at large"
> > >what Internet governance is and why it matters, actively
> > helping Internet
> > >users to organize themselves and speak collectively about
> > what they need
> > >from the Net, etc.
> > >
> > >That's a MUCH bigger job than merely countering ICANN's position on
> > >various issues or trying to elect people to work from within
> > the existing
> > >system of powerless committees whose recommendations can be safely
> > >ignored. But if we are not prepared to take that on, I
> > suspect the most
> > >productive thing those in this group can do is to focus on
> > educating their
> > >own elected government representatives to the issues and
> > trying to form
> > >national or regional pressure groups which might have some
> > impact on U.S.
> > >government policy.
> > >
> > >Anyway, one thing I am sure of: a broadbased grassroots organization
> > >sticking strictly to an ICANN-set agenda is extremely
> > unlikely to happen,
> > >and I can't see reading the equivalent of a book a day in
> > list postings
> > >plus doing a lot of volunteer work to try to get one going.
> > If we can't
> > >define our goals in terms the average reasonable Internet user can
> > >comprehend and relate to, the resulting organization will be
> > far from
> > >representative of the world even if it does get 100,000
> > members from the
> > >techie community.
> > >
> > >Sorry if this makes me a wet blanket but I'm over 50 and
> > only a semi-geek
> > >so I'd probably want to put my own energies into something
> > else of more
> > >use to the rest of the world, like making sure that they can have
> > >affordable,uncensored access to news and information from
> > around the world
> > >and the right to speak their own minds.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Judyth
> > >
> > >##########################################################
> > >Judyth Mermelstein "cogito ergo lego ergo cogito..."
> > >Montreal, QC <espresso@e-scape.net>
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> > >"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once
> > >they have exhausted all other alternatives." (Abba Eban)
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> > >
> > >
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