[atlarge-discuss] RE: "The reform committee continues to refine its proposals..."

["Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>]

Jonathan, this morning MIchael Froomkin asked you:

>Why is it that the multiple previous efforts are inadequate?
>
>What is it about the authors of the earlier reports, e.g. the Bildt
>committee, or their analysis or conclusions that you found insufficient or
>unpersuasive or lacking in 'objectivity'?
>
>Why isn't it fairer to say that delaying this via the current process
>"undermines" those previous and unanimous efforts?

and at Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:20:48 -0400  you replied,

Hi Michael, It certainly is a defensible point of view.I will answer your
Questions upon my return. I apologize but I am leaving for Eastern Europe
and Turkey within hours so I havent the time to discuss this. I will be
back
on the 28th and will reply
best regards
Jonathan

(the thread is here:
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03432.html.)

Since you found time to react to Jim, below, please answer Michael's
question too.

tia -

Judith

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Cohen [mailto:jcohen@shapirocohen.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 3:18 PM
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> Amadeu@nominalia.com; karl@cavebear.com; k13@nikhef.nl;
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> sotiris@hermesnetwork.com; icheckemail@indiatimes.com; izumi@anr.org;
> Christian.Ahlert@sowi.uni-giessen.de; yjpark@myepark.com;
> vivek@vivekdurai.com; todd glassey; Richard Henderson; Kristy McKee;
> karl@cavebear.com; Joop Teernstra; Joe Baptista; Joanna Lane;
> jefsey@jefsey.com; james.love@cptech.org; j.oppenheimer@att.net;
> ellen@rony.com; jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com; Richard J. Sexton
> Subject: RE: "The reform committee continues to refine its
> proposals..."
>
>
> And will those who disagree stop villifying, name calling
> ,cheap shotting
> because they dont get their way.Will people from 'some ' country stop
> invoking its world view on every aspect of ICANN and the Internet.Will
> ,those who dont like directions or decisions of ICANN stop whining to
> Congress or the DOC,will they take the time to check their
> facts,.Bob Dylan
> said it in a song a long time ago .....''try spending a day
> in our shoes''
> ,as VOLUNTEERS, at considerable personal cost in time,energy
> and MONEY!!Try
> listening to the push and pull from every direction,the criticism,the
> Politics,the Rhetoric, name calling AND WORSE,while you try
> to do the Best
> Job you can.Noone on the Board expects sympathy or
> "flowers"...But it would
> sure be refreshing to get some 'Balance'and some decent
> debate ,where if you
> dont win you shake hands and try again later...But maybe
> thats ''culturally
> biased''  see you around the "Ranch"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@ameritech.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:12 PM
> To: vinton.g.cerf@WCOM.COM; apisan@servidor.unam.mx;
> Amadeu@nominalia.com; karl@cavebear.com; k13@nikhef.nl;
> ivanmc@akwan.com.br; lyman@acm.org; jcohen@shapirocohen.com;
> f.fitzsimmons@att.net; mkatoh@mkatoh.net; hans@icann.org;
> shkyong@kgsm.kaist.ac.kr; lynn@icann.org; andy@ccc.de;
> junsec@wide.ad.jp; quaynor@ghana.com; helmut.schink@icn.siemens.de;
> linda@icann.org; nvictory@ntia.doc.gov; ga@dnso.org
> Cc: secretariat@isoc-ecc.org; Yatoh@intnet.bj;
> infocom@avu.org; Vittorio
> Bertola; tommi.karttaavi@iki.fi; RBHauptman@aol.com;
> andyo@oreilly.com;
> hans.klein@pubpolicy.gatech.edu; rk2x@andrew.cmu.edu;
> pshane@andrew.cmu.edu; faia@amauta.rcp.net.pe; legales@derecho.org.ar;
> emv@southtech.com.ar; gonzalo@juandegaray.org.ar; ateneas@retemail.es;
> JacobsenTom@acm.org; alain.moscowitz@cecua.org; icannatlarge@isoc.bg;
> naavi@vsnl.com; ramboa@ird.mg; marius@refer.mg;
> sotiris@hermesnetwork.com; icheckemail@indiatimes.com; izumi@anr.org;
> Christian.Ahlert@sowi.uni-giessen.de; yjpark@myepark.com;
> vivek@vivekdurai.com; todd glassey; Richard Henderson; Kristy McKee;
> karl@cavebear.com; Joop Teernstra; Joe Baptista; Joanna Lane;
> jefsey@jefsey.com; james.love@cptech.org; j.oppenheimer@att.net;
> ellen@rony.com; jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com; Richard J. Sexton
> Subject: "The reform committee continues to refine its proposals..."
>
>
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc10/msg05002.html
> From: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>
>
> "The reform committee continues to refine its proposals..."
> ======
>
> Are they trying to decide whether to charge $1 per domain
> name per year or
> 25 cents ?
>
> Will ICANN be raising enough money to hire you as the CEO,
> now that Worldcom
> is history ?
>
> Does ICANN plan to move out of the current location to a
> ranch it purchases
> overlooking the
> Pacific Ocean ? Will there be an airstrip and stables for
> horses ? Will
> those be in the budget ?
>
> When will companies like IBM, HP and AT&T start paying their
> equivalent
> share of rent for
> address space ? Will that gain them special access to the
> ICANN Ranch and
> horseback rides ?
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
>
> Will there also be room in the ICANN budget to pick up a
> mansion in the
> Beverly Hills area ?
> ...to host various gatherings to maintain the stability....job
> security....etc...
>
>
> Jim Fleming
> 2002:[IPv4]:000X:03DB:...IPv8 is closer than you think...
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
>
>
>
>
>


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