Re: [atlarge-discuss] ALAC teleconference August 9, 2002 Notes

[Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>]

To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] ALAC teleconference August 9, 2002 Notes
From: Alexander Svensson <alexander@svensson.de>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:24:17 +0200

2. At the last teleconference, people presented their proposals,
   discussed them and selected one to pursue further.

Is that the same teleconference where Denise told Hans not to interfere with
her creative writing skills and tore up his revised draft because it more
accurately represented the views of those who still wanted to insist ICANN
hold public elections for At Large Directors despite the Blueprint?

   Neither Denise Michel nor Esther Dyson made efforts to push
   one of the proposals (the proposals being an ALOC-like structure,
   Vittorio's, mine and a proposal from the Latin American ALOC
   participants).

Of course not, Esther and Denise had already successfully buried the last
vestiges of any proposal that could possibly give At Large users a
meaningful voice, including the one they themselves wrote only a few short
months ago while serving on their last Committee, the ALSC, for which the
community paid them $450,000, for which they have never accounted properly
to the public whose interests they purport to represent.

	And Denise is hardly an ICANN appointee; she does
   her work very independently.

It is a matter of public record that Denise is a member of ICANN Staff,
contracted by ICANN and answering directly to Stuart Lynn, confirmed in
writing by Esther herself. Check the At large archives. We already know that
half the ALSC money budgeted for 2001 was actually reserved for payment over
the course of 2002 without any proper reason being given. How can the ALSC
be receiving money when it's report has been trashed and it doesn't even
exist any more? Check the web cast of CEO Lynn's Budget Reports to the
Board, especially during the early morning sessions in ACCRA when there is a
poor feed.

So, yes, she writes the draft, but
   the proposal was selected by the ALOC participants.

So no, her job is to implement Lynn's Blueprint with its ever changing goal
posts, with the minimum of fuss, which she is managing by forcing
participants to chose between a rock and a hard place, between a selection
of wholly unsatisfactory proposals. These proposals were not selected by
people who had any kind of free choice in any real sense. The choices were
made by people who have been enslaved by ICANN in a world controlled by
Esther and Denise.

>The will of the AtLarge majority is clearly [...]

3. Richard, how did you divine "the will of the AtLarge majority"?

>The ALAC initiative lacks legitimacy, because it claims to speak for people
>who do not want it to speak for them.

4. No, it does not claim to speak for the AtLarge majority, because any
   such attempts would seem silly. It tries to figure out a structure
   for regionally-based At Large participation from a multitude of groups.


It can't claim to speak for the AtLarge majority because quite obviously
nobody agrees with it and what's silly is ICANN trying to claim that a
structure for regionally-based At large participation from a multitude of
groups, most of which are sham operations, can ever be legitimate if it does
not first obtain the consent of the people it seeks to govern by its
policies, and not by coercion, by democracy. That is mainly what I believe
our members will continue to object to and no amount of whitewashing by you
is going to dissuade hundreds of thousands of these people from refusing to
be enslaved by Esther and her cronies and joining us.

Finally, I would throw one of Esther's reported quotes back at her. In the
latest open democracy interview with Anthony Barnett, he says: " ICANN is a
small organisation whose difficulties symbolise a lot of what’s going on in
the development of world politics."

Esther Dyson replies. " – In some ways, yes. Thank God no one is shooting
anybody over it yet."

Did she really say "yet"? And if so, consider whether that was meant as a
threat or a promise, or if neither, what?

BTW, I want to thank Sotiris for reporting back from the teleconferences!

Me too and Giampaolo Bonora for his weekly summaries for At Large, which
allowed me to pick up on a thread that I had completely missed earlier in
the week.

Regards,
Joanna

Best regards,
/// Alexander




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