RE: [atlarge-discuss] Supporting Organization

["Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>]

You can't begin to compare the FCC/telco system and ICANN.  In the telecom
system there are degrees of accountability; there is access; there is
recourse.

I have actively participated at FCC roundtables along with small-business
(and I mean *small* business) colleagues.  We have asked for and been
granted ex parte meetings.  I have no problem being a member of State Dept
ad hoc committees whose work is pertinent to mine - with a vote equal to
that of all the large players - one company, one vote.  (Yes, there are
arenas where my vote carries the same weight as Marilyn Cade's.)   I am an
active participant in the standards and practices committee that manages
toll free service, have been an active participant in the Industry
Numbering Committee,  and I'm a voting member of ENUM Forum, tasked by the
State Dept with constructing how ENUM will be implemented in the U.S..  In
all these forums my vote has equal weight with the other participants.
Large biz, small biz, individual - one entity, one vote.  All equal.

(Before you say that is business and not individual representation, I am an
individual, a mere consultant.  And my participation - at the FCC, at the
State Dept, at telco forum meetings around the country, at the SBA - is and
has always been by phone bridge - my travel budget for these activities to
date, over a ten year period, is $0.)

My participation has and continues to influence what does and what doesn't
happen (I can give concrete examples to anyone who'd like to email me
privately.  I won't bore the list with it.)

There is simply no comparison.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Sherwood [mailto:sherwood@islands.vi]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:46 AM
> To: DannyYounger@cs.com; eric@hi-tek.com
> Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Supporting Organization
>
>
> Good morning, Danny:
>
>     I snipped the following from your message:
>
> "Do you really care that the regulator of your phone
> system wasn't elected if the phones work well and remain reliable?  Of
> course
> you don't."
>
>     In the context that you used it, this is a powerful
> argument.  But I
> must tell you, from experience, that when the phones don't
> work well and
> remain reliable, and when the regulator is a political
> appointee bought and
> paid for by the phone monopoly, I do care that there is no
> election process
> available to correct this serious abuse of the user.
>
>     I suspect that the great majority of Internet users and
> potential users
> will find themselves in the same position as the above noted
> phone users.
> Surely the democratic representation of that group is our
> "raison d'etre"
>
> Ron Sherwood
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> To: <eric@hi-tek.com>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Supporting Organization
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > I, for one, am satisfied with the work performed by the FCC.  They
> regulate
> > the telecommunications industry in the U.S., and guess
> what?  Not one
> single
> > Commission member is elected, and somehow the industry is
> under control
> and
> > users are generally happy with the quality of service they receive.
> Global
> > worldwide elections is not a prerequisite to getting the
> job done.   There
> > are plenty of other viable models, and declaring yourself to be "a
> worldwide
> > election body" defines you merely as a group unprepared to
> be rational
> about
> > reasonable alternatives.  Do you really care that the
> regulator of your
> phone
> > system wasn't elected if the phones work well and remain
> reliable?  Of
> course
> > you don't.
> >
> > The entire point of having an open list is to encourage
> debate and to
> explore
> > other reasonable options.  There are lots of other user
> groups out there
> > Eric... you should consider banding together with them rather than
> attempting
> > to take on ICANN alone... you'll make more progress if you
> do.  By all
> means,
> > assume a leadership role, but don't assume that you can
> shunt aside all
> these
> > others and still call yourself the representatives of the worldwide
> At-large,
> > it won't fly.
> >
> >
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