Re: [atlarge-discuss] 003 WG-WEB.mailinglists

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joanna and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

Joanna Lane wrote:

> Richard,
> I sympathise. This falls under the TOR for WG-WEB because it's quite a lot
> to sort out. Let's make it a priority. Here's my thoughts:-
>
> Assuming the members will receive a monthly newsletter at some point,
> WG-Outreach can solicit help using that, or should you wish to target
> specific regions, members from that region can be isolated into a separate
> sublist to which your invitation could be targeted.

  This is certainly one approach of several that would and should be useful
as well as helpful...

> We have to be careful
> not to spam, but I would not view this in that category, so as far as I am
> concerned, you could do this any time you like, or you could wait until we
> have at least a name and mailing list for you.

  Setting up a sublist mailing list is about a 1hr task once you have downloaded

Majordomo, which is free.

>
>
> Some aspects can be resolved by improving the sign up page, so that when
> people join, they can opt-into various add-on features, such as news about a
> particular region's activity.

  Good ideas here...

> In that way, you would open the door to two
> way communication with those willing to be more active, enabling them to
> contact you and volunteer, as well as indicating they are receptive to
> receiving your communications.
>
> Regards,
> Joanna
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 4:08 PM
> > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...clarification.
> >
> >
> > Don't worry! I didn't misunderstand you at all Joanna! On the question of
> > people who receive the member details, if these include e-mail/contact
> > details, then I feel our Outreach WG has perhaps the strongest case for
> > being given some kind of access to this list - as we may well be
> > involved in
> > trying to make contact with individuals in each country, as soon as
> > possible. Commonsense suggests we should not just be passive but should
> > proactively set out to make contact, to encourage, and to personalise the
> > organisation.
> >
> > This could be done either by simply holding the list in trust, or
> > else by a
> > protocol whereby we can forward e-mails to a list-holder who in turn
> > forwards the mail to specific individuals.
> >
> > This whole matter of [who has access to members e-mails / and
> > confidentiality] needs to be sorted out as soon as possible, so
> > we can push
> > forward with Outreach. What are the views of the panel and membership.
> >
> > One "common-sense" solution I have is to mail the entire
> > membership and ask
> > them what level of contact they are willing to share with the
> > organisation.
> > This could range from: (a) my e-mail can be sent in a list to all other
> > members (b) my e-mail may be given to regional or national
> > co-ordinators for
> > news on developments in my area (c) my e-mail may be given to the
> > individual
> > responsible for posting centralised news only (d) my e-mail may be given
> > only to those persons responsible for votes and elections (as
> > required to be
> > a member).
> >
> > So each member could be asked to place a [X] against one or more options,
> > and we're then ready to roll (plus we're respecting members' wishes and
> > getting a pretty good idea of which members really want to get
> > involved). In
> > addition, members could be reminded that it's pretty easy to get
> > a discreet
> > web-based mail account for this kind of purpose.
> >
> > I think we need to develop a proactive policy about membership details
> > because we need to network and communicate. The key is the
> > local/national/regional liaison, and I hope as many members as possible
> > could be encouraged to provide an e-mail address for a regional
> > co-ordinator/group/national rep to develop contacts, build up community.
> >
> > For example, I have volunteered to be UK representative, and I have the
> > names of all the UK members, but it's pretty nutty if I can't get in touch
> > with them. Sure, I can by-pass that by building up other groups and
> > communities, but when we already have a membership, it makes
> > sense to start
> > by involving them (as far as they want to be involved).
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>
> > To: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>; J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> > <jefsey@club-internet.fr>; Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
> > <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:45 PM
> > Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...clarification.
> >
> >
> > > clarification ...."The same goes for WG-OUTREACH." make that "The same
> > goes
> > > for WG-OUTREACH which Richard is coordinating"....it could be read as if
> > I'm
> > > intending to coordinate that group, which is not what I meant to say.
> > >
> > > Apologies.
> > > Joanna
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Joanna Lane [mailto:jo-uk@rcn.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:42 PM
> > > > To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin; Joop Teernstra;
> > > > atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > > Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jefsey,
> > > > Forgive me, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Let me
> > > > be quite clear about our position at this time.
> > > >
> > > > 1. We are in the process of a deciding the name by which the
> > > > organization will be known, ONE NAME to replace ICANNAtLarge.com.
> > > > Notwithstanding that regional branches or indeed issue based
> > > > groups may self-organize and build other sites with their own
> > > > regional identities and domain names, these will all be
> > > > hyperlinked from the main URL that incorporates the new
> > > > organization name, once selected. The organization can then be
> > > > truly global, with a corporate identity scheme and consistent
> > > > standards, such as membership criteria - citizenship vs.
> > > > residency, ID verification and so on.
> > > >
> > > > 2. This is why the WG's are being set up, each of which will have
> > > > a separate Mailing List, with hyperlinked archives from the main
> > > > site. WG-WEB is not yet ready to commence work and it is my
> > > > intention to coordinate that group once the organization name is
> > > > known and the mailing lists available. The same goes for
> > > > WG-OUTREACH. Very little can be done by Richard until he knows
> > > > the name and has the mailing list. It's August. People are away.
> > > > Things will move faster next week.
> > > >
> > > > 3. The Panel approved the Timeline and schedule to enable the
> > > > membership to be solicited this week for suggestions for the
> > > > name, then vote on the selection next week. I have issued the
> > > > call to the discuss list and one additional name has been put
> > > > forward that meets the criterai set down by the Panel, but I
> > > > cannot proceed with soliciting the whole membership until I have
> > > > an agreed return address for submissions and ballot papers.
> > > >
> > > > Which brings me to a question for Joop. Who receives replies sent
> > > > to news@icannatlarge.com? Is that the best return address for
> > > > submissions/ votes given that only 10% are subscribed to the
> > > > Discuss List?
> > > >
> > > > Also, can you please include me on the list of those to whom you
> > > > Escrow the member details. In fact, I'd like to see a copy of the
> > > > current list please.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Joanna
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 3:06 AM
> > > > > To: Joop Teernstra; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 02:39 14/08/02, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > > > >My first choice would be icannatlarge.org, currently held by
> > > > > elected panel
> > > > > >member Jefsey Morfin.
> > > > > >Jefsey could provide a re-direct to our current web presence.
> > > > > >We should think twice before abandoning the recognition
> > (1650 google
> > > > > >links) that we have built up so far.
> > > > > >Why keep the "icann" string?
> > > > > >Because icann, like it or not, is our defining battle ground.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is NO need for a change, choice, decision.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is only a lack of understanding by some of:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. what we need: a legal name to incorporate a secretariat and
> > > > a banking
> > > > > account
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. what we already have: a global name "@large"
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. what is an internet name.
> > > > > This NOT because some want the current site to be accessed
> > > > through a name
> > > > > or another that it cannot be accessed with other names
> > (aliases if no
> > > > > dedicated IP address), with every other names (if having a dedicated
> > IP
> > > > > address).
> > > > >
> > > > > If this situation is not solved asap, here is what I propose:
> > > > > 1. I do not understand who is currently in charge of the
> > > > WG-SITE - I was
> > > > > while Joanna was on transfer. But I will set-up
> > > http://website.atlarge.ws
> > > > with a mailing list everyone interested may join.
> > > > 2. we will put a link on http://atlarge.ws and request one to Joop on
> > > > http://icannatlarge.com/org
> > > > 3. we will work on a solution asap
> > > > 4. we will write a FAQ to explain exactly what it means so
> > everyone can
> > > > understand.
> > > >
> > > > I really have a huge personnal work load, so please allow me some
> > > > sleep. I
> > > > will try to have that up and running in the comming day or so.
> > > > The problem
> > > > is also the DNS propagation and VRSN updates while may nameservers are
> > > > changing IPs.
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > jfc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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