Re: [atlarge-discuss] User activities in other At-Large structures

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Danny and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> I really get tired of hearing your nonsense.  If people working together at
> the local level, creating after-school programs, generating employment
> opportunities, organizing small business workshops and cooperating with
> government ministers to enhance e-commerce situations in developing countries
> has "little meaning" to you because they aren't "voting", then you are truly
> in need of professional help.

  WOW!  I can easily see from this silly reply that you are obviously
irritated.  That's of course understandable for someone that is still
unemployed.  You have my sympathies Danny.  But please try to
be a bit more realistic and most especially honest..

>
>
> Exactly what earthshaking "issues" is Jeff Williams voting on?  Choosing a
> new name for this organization?  Big friggin' deal.  I'm not impressed.

  My my Danny you certainly are irritated.  Yes the members here have
expressed their desire as well as has the Panel chair that a vote is
needed to determine a good, useful and helpful name for our
organization.  I am sorry that you do not agree Danny, but such
is life sometimes.

>
>
> You seem to think that "voting" is the only thing that matters...   I cited
> examples of "productive" user activities.

  No I think that voting as an at-large member is very important, but not the
only thing that matters...

> Yes, these were ISOC activities in
> this example, but numerous other examples abound.  What matters is actually
> "accomplishing" something.

  Yes but for whom, by whom, and to whos benefit?  A number of the
things and efforts that the ISOC is pushing now or recently, such as
IPv6 are not to the stakeholders/users advantage or desire, nor do many
ISP's care for that effort either..  And this is just one example...

>
>
> Other groups are actually getting things done that are of value to their
> respective communities.

  You bet they are!  We [INEGroup] are one of those groups...

>  They self-organize in order to utilize their
> collective skills and talent to benefit others.

  Exactly right again!  But the ISOC no longer does this...

> They don't seem to need the
> voting rights that you describe to actually get things accomplished -- they
> route around the problem and aggressively work on solutions to the real
> day-to-day user issues.

  Many do need, desire and sometimes demand a vote on issues that
they think or know will effect them.  Majority rules Danny...  You seem
to be in the camp of minority rules.  That simply cannot stand, and will not...

>
>
> Meanwhile, you claim to be the spokesman for a sizable group and yet have
> absolutely nothing to show for your group's efforts.  Frankly, I have never
> heard of your INEGroup ever getting anything done that was of benefit to
> anyone, so don't expect me to tolerate having you disparage the activities of
> others.

  Well Danny you know yourself that this is not so and you yourself
have stated such several times.  I think you need to take a time out
or find a gamefull employment so that you will be more consistent
and feel better about yourself...

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208



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