[atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] RE: [atlarge-discuss] icannatlarge.com

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Just let democracy take its course, Judith

Relax!

----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Oppenheimer <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
To: 'Vittorio Bertola' <vb@bertola.eu.org>; 'Joanna Lane' <jo-uk@rcn.com>
Cc: <micheal@beethoven.com>; 'Norbert Klein' <nhklein@gmx.net>; 'Joop
Teernstra' <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; 'Richard Henderson'
<richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; <vivek@vivekdurai.com>;
<atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: [atlarge-panel] RE: [atlarge-discuss] icannatlarge.com


> I am amazed at the ease with which I am seeing opinions expressed here
that
> have current and potential negative impact on individual panelists and the
> membership, in the apparent absence of private legal consultation (other
> than Joanna).
>
> This has nothing to do with personal preference for choice of name, and
its
> childish to suggest otherwise.
>
> These comments are as irresponsible and unbusinesslike as anything I've
> ever seen.  We should be grateful for John Berryhill's headsup (which had
> nothing to do with this organization or the vote), and follow-up
> accordingly.
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu.org]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:49 AM
> > To: Joanna Lane
> > Cc: micheal@beethoven.com; Norbert Klein; Joop Teernstra; Richard
> > Henderson; vivek@vivekdurai.com; atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de;
> > atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] RE: [atlarge-discuss] icannatlarge.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:35:48 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > >You have said "If it proves to be a legally inappropriate
> > move then we will
> > >deal with the situation as it develops". Does that include paying the
> > >personal legal defense expenses of any member who is sued? I
> > thought not.
> >
> > Joanna, all of this is ridiculous. First of all, because even in the
> > unlikely case that someone at ICANN decided to sue
> > icannatlarge.com, it
> > cannot sue a non-existing organization - so in the end the
> > only ones that it
> > could sue are the owners or managers of the web site, i.e.
> > Bret and Joop.
> > And even if the organization existed, ICANN would sue the
> > organization, not
> > its individual members! Of course the Directors of a company have
> > responsibilities for crimes committed by the company. But we
> > are not even
> > formally existing yet!!
> >
> > So shouldn't we focus on proceeding with real steps, rather
> > than losing
> > weeks on a petty flame about how we call ourselves?? I am
> > sorry, but I think
> > that this whole name thing has been mismanaged to the point of making
> > ourselves ridiculous and raising attrition among the members,
> > while keeping
> > this organization strong and united should be our first goal
> > - after all,
> > our members, not our name, is all we have.
> >
> > And personally, I think that the Chair, especially because
> > he/she is the
> > Chair, should avoid to take positions on what the results of
> > a vote should
> > be after voting has already begun, let alone trying to change
> > such results
> > by authority, by excluding one possible outcome, without
> > clear support in
> > the membership or at least a vote by the panel. This is a theoretical
> > problem that might perhaps rise in the future (perhaps,
> > because you didn't
> > even do the simplest thing to understand whether it's real or
> > not: ask ICANN
> > whether they agree with this usage or not) and you are using
> > it as a tool to
> > influence the results of the vote while it is running. This
> > is not, in my
> > opinion, what a Chair should do.
> >
> > Instead, there are a number of rational approaches you can
> > take to calm the
> > situation, as the Chair should do. First, let's wait and see
> > what the vote
> > results are. If we want a name with ICANN in it, then we
> > might ask ICANN
> > whether they would have anything against it, and if they had,
> > we might seek
> > legal advice and submit it to the membership for
> > consideration. And then we
> > all - *we all*, not you alone in the leap of a minute - take
> > a decision.
> > --
> > vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a]
> > bertola.eu.org]<------
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> > altro... <--------
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