[atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] RE: [atlarge-discuss] icannatlarge.com

["Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>]

I am amazed at the ease with which I am seeing opinions expressed here that
have current and potential negative impact on individual panelists and the
membership, in the apparent absence of private legal consultation (other
than Joanna).

This has nothing to do with personal preference for choice of name, and its
childish to suggest otherwise.

These comments are as irresponsible and unbusinesslike as anything I've
ever seen.  We should be grateful for John Berryhill's headsup (which had
nothing to do with this organization or the vote), and follow-up
accordingly.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu.org]
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:49 AM
> To: Joanna Lane
> Cc: micheal@beethoven.com; Norbert Klein; Joop Teernstra; Richard
> Henderson; vivek@vivekdurai.com; atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de;
> atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] RE: [atlarge-discuss] icannatlarge.com
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:35:48 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >You have said "If it proves to be a legally inappropriate
> move then we will
> >deal with the situation as it develops". Does that include paying the
> >personal legal defense expenses of any member who is sued? I
> thought not.
>
> Joanna, all of this is ridiculous. First of all, because even in the
> unlikely case that someone at ICANN decided to sue
> icannatlarge.com, it
> cannot sue a non-existing organization - so in the end the
> only ones that it
> could sue are the owners or managers of the web site, i.e.
> Bret and Joop.
> And even if the organization existed, ICANN would sue the
> organization, not
> its individual members! Of course the Directors of a company have
> responsibilities for crimes committed by the company. But we
> are not even
> formally existing yet!!
>
> So shouldn't we focus on proceeding with real steps, rather
> than losing
> weeks on a petty flame about how we call ourselves?? I am
> sorry, but I think
> that this whole name thing has been mismanaged to the point of making
> ourselves ridiculous and raising attrition among the members,
> while keeping
> this organization strong and united should be our first goal
> - after all,
> our members, not our name, is all we have.
>
> And personally, I think that the Chair, especially because
> he/she is the
> Chair, should avoid to take positions on what the results of
> a vote should
> be after voting has already begun, let alone trying to change
> such results
> by authority, by excluding one possible outcome, without
> clear support in
> the membership or at least a vote by the panel. This is a theoretical
> problem that might perhaps rise in the future (perhaps,
> because you didn't
> even do the simplest thing to understand whether it's real or
> not: ask ICANN
> whether they agree with this usage or not) and you are using
> it as a tool to
> influence the results of the vote while it is running. This
> is not, in my
> opinion, what a Chair should do.
>
> Instead, there are a number of rational approaches you can
> take to calm the
> situation, as the Chair should do. First, let's wait and see
> what the vote
> results are. If we want a name with ICANN in it, then we
> might ask ICANN
> whether they would have anything against it, and if they had,
> we might seek
> legal advice and submit it to the membership for
> consideration. And then we
> all - *we all*, not you alone in the leap of a minute - take
> a decision.
> --
> vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a]
> bertola.eu.org]<------
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