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Re: Re: [atlarge-discuss] finance
Jeffrey A. Williams "and all stakeholders or other interested
parties and members",
Ha Ha Ha. Ho Ho Ho.
Bogus Non-Existent Group Inc.,
Nevada Beach, Nevada.
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 Jeff Williams wrote :
Jan and all stakeholders or other interested parties and
For the purposes of openness and transparency, of which you
below Jan, I am also sending my response to all of the members
that are subscribers of our list forum...
(See more below your/Jans comments)
Jan Siren wrote:
> Jeff Williams wrote:
> > Jan,
> > Jan Siren wrote:
> > >
> > > Concur. If I send along any of my hard-earned $$, it's
going to be to
> > > something I know is going to BE THERE, not just to some
> > Also agreed. Although I have already sometime ago set up
> > account for this purpose, I don't want to see the funding
> > or used for some personal purposes once the bylaws are in
> > so that I can transfer this account to this organization.
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> Jeff, this is one of those cases in which I find it necessary
> consider the message and the messenger. We are agreed on
finance, up to the
> point of affirming the necessity of the organization to have
> institutional bank account.
Are you saying that this organization doesn't need it's own
> At that point - and please don't take this the
> wrong way - I have to hesitate to endorse an account set up by
a person whom
> I don't know other than through this mailing list; one who
claims to be the
> spokesman of an "INEGroup" of 127,000 members whose existence
has never come
> to my attention through any other channel than his own
postings on this
> mailing list.
I don't know about 60% of the people I do business with
some, though a much lower percentage, that I have been doing
with for quite a number of years I still have never personally
That is part is one of the benefits and beauties of ecommerce,
why is is so successful. Hence I am at a loss as to this
But I also respect your right to have such an opinion. Good
in your ecommerce experiences! I am sure they will be few, and
not very fruitful.
> (Surely, I would have expected by now to have become aware
> the group through multiple other channels of communication; I
> expect to have been solicited to join by now!)
We are careful as to whom we directly solicit for joining our
We do not spam anyone in order to gain members. We find that to
less than advantageous to our membership drives and efforts.
perhaps, that is why you have not been contacted. But I surely
not know that for a fact... I can say from the tone and content
response here, and other times as well, that you are not what
recruiting folks would call a "Potential viable member", whatever
> Transparency of process is one of the stated principles of
> I would hope that the means by which it conducts its finances
would set the
> standard for "transparency" in all its dealings.
Oh I agree completely which is why I made the comments in part
as to how the account I set up must be handled before transfer
occur. Perhaps you should re-read them more closely?
> An account set up by a
> spokesman for a shadowy "INEGroup" does not quite meet that
We are in no way "Shadowy" in any definition of that binnacle
We are well represented in over 100 countries. We are publically
well known and broadly accepted by a number of governments
the US Government. That information is available to you or
that wishes to fill out a FOIA request to the FEC and similar
to those counties that use a similar method of garnering said
to sign, and was voted upon and passed almost unanimously, does
not allow for me or any member to provide certain specific
information about our members directly. Hence the need in part
for you to file a FOIA request. Our charter also reflects this
requirement. It is well within the laws of the US and most
governments, and in some European governments it is a
So it this is what you are calling "Shadowy" your position is
not tenable from a legal standpoint. I can however appreciate
your reluctance to do your own do diligence as that requires
some time to conduct. But it is well worth the effort IOHO,
as it is generally considered very viable in the business and
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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