Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Hans and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  Here Here Hans!  I also agree.  However if Bruce wishes to ask for
a vote on such a letter by the members, I think that should be allowed
and is certainly appropriate although not needed...  I would also kindly
ask Bruce not to call for such a vote by the members as it would
delay unduly needed actual work that needs to get done, and thereby
become legally and operationally divisive unnecessarily...

Hans Klein wrote:

> Based on extensive discussion on other lists, I do not believe that we need
> to ask permission for the term "ICANN" or the term "At Large".  We were
> created with ICANN's blessing, we have existed for 6 months, other
> organizations use those terms, etc., etc.
>
> I think it is very important that this panel abide by the will of the
> membership.  There seems to be a lot of back-pedaling!  (I don't know if
> that terms translates easily into other languages, but it is based on the
> image of a bicycle.)
>
> We should make closure on our name (and on our DNS) and start being active.
>
> Hans
>
> At 11:02 PM 10/2/2002 -0700, Bruce Young wrote:
> >Richard, all discussions about ICANNATLARGE.ORG are academic until we ask
> >ICANN whether we have permission to use their trademarked name in ours.
> >That said,
> >
> >I move that this panel formally approach ICANN in writing and request
> >permission to use the name.
> >
> >Bruce Young
> >Portland, Oregon USA
> >bruce@barelyadequate.info
> >http://www.barelyadequate.info
> >--------------------------------------------
> >Support democratic control of the Internet!
> >Go to http://www.icannatlarge.com and Join ICANN At Large!
> >
> >
> >|  -----Original Message-----
> >|  From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> >|  Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:10 AM
> >|  To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> >|  Cc: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> >|  Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> >|
> >|
> >|  Jefsey,
> >|
> >|  To tell you the truth, I am very unhappy with the decision to
> >|  use icannatlarge.org
> >|
> >|  I think it is contentious, unhelpful and a bad choice.
> >|
> >|  I would fully support you if you chose to withdraw it. I feel we
> >|  need a name like atlarge.org which can then be used with 100's
> >|  of appropriate subdomains, and the devolution of webmaster
> >|  responsibilities to a multiplicity of participants
> >|
> >|  canada.atlarge.org
> >|  outreach.atlarge.org
> >|  fiji.atlarge.org
> >|  lotsof other things.atlarge.org
> >|
> >|  There IS an issue of democratic will, of course, but I believe
> >|  that most voters actively voted NOT to have the Icann name -
> >|  they wanted anything other than the ICANN name, but their vote
> >|  was split, whereas the pro-icann vote was focussed on a single name
> >|
> >|  Besides, the name is not resolving, which is no use. And you
> >|  (the owner/registrant of the name) advised against its use
> >|  anyway, so why not withdraw the name and vote "Do we want the
> >|  name ICANN in our name - YES or NO?"
> >|
> >|  I believe the democratic will is in favour of jettisoning the name ICANN
> >|
> >|  Richard
> >|    ----- Original Message -----
> >|    From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> >|    To: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
> >|    Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:13 PM
> >|    Subject: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> >|
> >|
> >|    On 12:05 02/10/02, James Love said:
> >|    Jefsey,
> >|    > 1.  I don't think we want a web page run by hundreds of
> >|  people.    On the contrary, I think we want the web page to be
> >|  managed by a few people who can keep it current, and make sure
> >|  it serves to enhance the transparency of the group.
> >|
> >|    This is something to be decided by the panel upon proposition
> >|  of the WG-WEB, and possibly to the membership to decide. Right
> >|  now I am quite hesitant to give Sotiris full powers. I frankly
> >|  see no real difference between Joop and Sotiris at the present
> >|  stage. I will set-up my mind when :
> >|
> >|    1. I get the site IP address - the question risen by Sotiris
> >|  means that he does not understand how it works (what I doubt) or
> >|  he wants a control equivalent to Joop, I am not prepared to grant him.
> >|
> >|    2. I see a draft site to understand what he plans. There was
> >|  plenty of time for him to present a draft site on
> >|  worldatlarge.org. My approach would be to have him set up
> >|  worldatlarge.org as the future icannatlarge.org site so we can
> >|  use both addresses and evaluate the way he sets a site up and
> >|  the time he can dedicate to it.
> >|
> >|    From your remarks, I understand that you never shared in a
> >|  cooperative site or an e-zine. What you want is the way it
> >|  works, but hundreds of people can cooperate. This is the only
> >|  way to make some real outreach: to imply people. We will no
> >|  reinvent the wheel.
> >|
> >|    We start with 190 authors wanted, one per contry. Plus
> >|  probably 20 others, one per main topic, plus back-up and
> >|  alternative views. I do not know if you looked at who is listed
> >|  on our member list?  Many are far more competent than me.
> >|
> >|    > 2.   We will have to make some policies on control of the
> >|  site, and who has posting privledges.  My own prefence is to
> >|  have non-panel members maintain the content, so there are fewer
> >|  transition issues in elections.
> >|
> >|    Right. There should be tow or three people. IMHO a guy like
> >|  NameCritic is a very good co-manager for such a task. There is
> >|  areal difference between a one person's site (blog) and an
> >|  e-zine. The first thing is to see how NameCritic and Satiris and
> >|  Vittorio can make it together. Producing together is far more a
> >|  challenge than talking/debating together.
> >|
> >|    > 3.  What is the deal over icannatlarge.org?  Who controls
> >|  this, and what will we have to do to get control of it?
> >|
> >|    Ok. Let forget about that: I explained it 100 times. It seems
> >|  that no one will ever want to read what I explain. So let me try
> >|  to care about it. Just remember that none of you wanted to hear
> >|  what I said and most went though that vote because our two Lady
> >|  J hoped internetatlarge.org would win. This is over. Let me try
> >|  to sort the mess. This is a task for the WG-DNS: it will be
> >|  reported when sorted.
> >|
> >|    The priority is to have WG-WEB to address the draft site
> >|  issue, get public comments, organize a webmastering system which
> >|  will not be worse than Joop's (anyone taking over as a webmaster
> >|  will be confronted to the dilemn: either to be a tyrant to keep
> >|  some order and personal time control or a dedicated professional
> >|  with some real personal/financial motivations).
> >|
> >|    jfc
> >|
> >|
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