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Re: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Our New Name Isn't...
Right now, what we are trying to do is to represent (or ensure
user representation) in the governance of the internet. As long as
it is icann that governs (however bad that governance may be) the
internet, it makes a lot of sense that we are IcannAtlarge, for a
variety of reasons.
Firstly, the way the group has come into being. Secondly, the fact
that the first step to net governance reform is Icann reform.
Thirdly, we are the successors ('official' or 'outlawed' or
otherwise) to the late 'official' IcannAtlarge (or at least that
was my understanding when i signed up to be a member). Fourthly,
if Icann ceases to exist and we as a group still have a reason to
exist, a name change then is always possible (in lighter vein,
name changes make more news when a known, older entity does it.
for example, The Artiste Formerly Known as The Prince, Cat
Stevens, Mercedes Benz, etc.!)
And finally, i like the name IcannAtlarge; i voted for it. I want
it there, even if it is simply for sentimental (someone said
'nostalgic') reasons, or for the fact that I (note the change in
case, its the ego talking here) voted for it.
Hari Gopal.
On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 NameCritic wrote :
You missed the point completely. When forming a seperate
organization you
don't include another organization in it's name because you tie
your fate to
theirs. This is not part of ICANN, therefore the name is
deceiving, and
limits us in our scope if ICANN should cease to exist.
What we do is our purpose. What we are called is our name. Please
attempt to
seperate those two things in your mind.
Name recognition takes years to build. If ICANN was not around in
one year
we would be considering a name change at that time, then we would
have lost
one year in building our own name recognition.
I simply propose that this organization have it's own name. That
doesn't
seem like something that should be fought so hard against by a
couple of
people.
Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norbert Klein" <nhklein@gmx.net>
To: "NameCritic" <chris1@telnor.net>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>;
<richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Our New Name Isn't...
> > My biggest problem with using the name that contains ICANN
in it is that
> > ICANN was given one year to clean up their act by the DoC.
Let's assume,
a
> > really small assumption, that ICANN doesn't clean up their
act, and
let's
> > assume, this time a really big assumption, that the DoC
actually does
shut
> > them down, then we're stuck with a name that means
nothing.
> >
> > Plan on being around even if ICANN isn't, or do you want to
tie our fate
> > to
> > theirs?
> >
> > Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
>
> I don't follow.
>
> Let us tie our fate to whatever the place is where the fight
for
democratic
> control over the tasks given at present to ICANN may be - with
an ICANN
after
> one more year, of following wherever the struggle for this
bottom-up
> structure moves. But the struggle is about this structure, not
about some
philosophy
> not related to this real battle.
>
> With the argument you propose, the 1000 people who subscribed
might have
> said: better do nothing, and surely not subscribe to
ICANNatlarge, because
we
> dont like the present direction of ICANN, and maybe the DoC
will stop it
> anyway.
>
> Norbert
>
> --
> Norbert Klein
> Open Forum of Cambodia: www.forum.org.kh
>
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