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RE: [atlarge-discuss] PASSED: motion on VOTING PROCEDURE (fwd)
Jeff Williams wrote:
| Well actually yes it can and should be more open then just archives
| of the Panel list. It should be interactive, not just a closed list.
As opposed to this list, the Panel list is a "low noise" forum where the
panel holds their discussions regarding issues we're making motions or
voting on. Any decisions from this process are always announced on thge
Discuss list. It *is* interactive for those who have rights on it, i.e. the
Panel members.
Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon USA
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| -----Original Message-----
| From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
| Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:44 AM
| To: Bruce Young
| Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
| Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] PASSED: motion on VOTING PROCEDURE (fwd)
|
|
| Bruce and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
|
| Bruce Young wrote:
|
| > Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
| >
| > | I was simply stating my concern that whatever votes
| > | are carried out by the Panel are not done secretly or
| > | anonymously.
| >
| > You can see every conversation and every vote the panel has ever had at
| > http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-panel/
| >
| > Doesn't get much more open than that!
|
| Well actually yes it can and should be more open then just archives
| of the Panel list. It should be interactive, not just a closed list.
| Closed lists that are discussing or debating issues that impact the
| members are a form of censorship. Hence they should be stamped
| out entirely. Yes, the Panel should be completely open and
| above board in their discussions regarding member effected
| practices or policies, but still have inter-operational discussions
| amongst themselves as panel members. We must be very careful
| here too though, so as not to breed distrust. That can be difficult.
|
| >
| >
| > Bruce Young
| > Portland, Oregon USA
| > bruce@barelyadequate.info
| > http://www.barelyadequate.info
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| >
| > | -----Original Message-----
| > | From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos [mailto:sotiris@hermesnetwork.com]
| > | Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:49 AM
| > | To: Norbert Klein
| > | Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
| > | Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] PASSED: motion on VOTING
| PROCEDURE (fwd)
| > |
| > |
| > | Norbert et al.,
| > |
| > | I think you misunderstood my message. I do not think the entire
| > | membership must
| > | needs vote on every issue. I was simply stating my concern that
| > | whatever votes
| > | are carried out by the Panel are not done secretly or
| > | anonymously. The Panel
| > | ought/must vote in a public fashion, such that the membership
| > | may know which
| > | Panel member voted for or against what position.
| > |
| > | Sincerely,
| > |
| > | Sotiris Sotiropoulos
| > |
| > | Norbert Klein wrote:
| > |
| > | > > Hans et al.,
| > | > >
| > | > > Am I to understand then that this means the Paenl will vote
| > | in secret and
| > | > > aonymously? If this is the case, I strenuously object.
| > | > >
| > | > > Sincerely,
| > | > >
| > | > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
| > | >
| > | > Can you please help me to understand your concern.
| > | >
| > | > What do you mean by "in secret and anonymously" when there is
| > | a transparent
| > | > procedure how votes among the panel members will proceed, and
| > | how they will
| > | > be counted etc.
| > | >
| > | > Or do you object that the Panel has a procedure how the panel
| > | can come to a
| > | > common opinion - proposing that everything should be discussed
| > | and voted by
| > | > the full membership? I cannot think that this could work,
| > | given that we have
| > | > already 1000 members and hopefully more in future.
| > | >
| > | > Then the question would be what will be discussed AND voted by
| > | the Panel,
| > | > and what should be discussed by the full membership.
| > | >
| > | > But maybe I misunderstood what you meant. Please clarify.
| > | >
| > | > Norbert
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Norbert Klein
| > | > Open Forum of Cambodia: www.forum.org.kh
| > | >
| > | >
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