Re: [atlarge-discuss] Shanghai

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Bruce and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

Bruce Young wrote:

> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> |    I don't know and I doubt that you bruce know that all of the
> |  ICANNATLARGE.ORG members don't wish to interface
> |  with ICANN.  SOme of the Panel members already do,
> |  as do I in the DNSO GA, amongst others.  Hence as  panel
> |  members I am a bit confused as to your comment on this
> |  regard.  Could you possibly clarify as to your meaning?
>
> My meaning is that we should have a much broader mandate than just ICANN,
> and that ICANN meetings attract people from all concerns surrounding ICANN's
> activities, particularly representatives of other NGOs, government reps,
> industry insiders, etc.

  Ok good answer so far!  >;)

>  This is an opportunity to get our face out in
> public and interface with these people.  Just as we are building concensus
> from within our membership, ICANNATLARGE can begin building concensus with
> other individuals and groups, which can be used to influence public opinion
> and hopefully force change on ICANN from without.

  Well yes to a degree this is true.  But without meeting with NGO's
and government organizations as well we have little chance of success.
So we need to really meet the challenge.

>
>
> But that doesn't happen if we sit on the sidelines like petulant children
> bemoaning how bad we've been treated, and refuse to interface with them!

  Agreed!  But interface how or in what ways do you envision Bruce?

>
> Rather, we need to get our face out there and get in the game.

  Our face has been out there virtually for some time.  That is not enough
by far...

> Every time
> ICANN knocks us down we need to get up and take them on again!  To prove we
> are truely commited to this goal we need to show that we can keep getting up
> again, and again, and again until they have no strength left to beat us
> down!

  ALso agreed here as well.  We need to do this by actually attending
conferences regularly, meeting with NGO's orgs physically as well
as "Interfacing" with them virtually, and setting up our own conferences
and invite all whom wish to attend.  Are we now prepared to do these
things Bruce?  I think not entirely, no.  Why?  Well the answer is
still the same and pretty simple.  No funding!

  Remembers Bruce, money is the mothers milk of politics.
Without a fairly healthy budget, and a funding model to support
such funding we have about as much chance as a fart in a whirl winds
chance of being even slightly successful or have any tiny impact.
So face this reality now Bruce!

>
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> byoung651@attbi.com
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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