[atlarge-discuss] Time to Fire Joop as Webmaster was: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jamie and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  Jamie, frankly the only way to make the "Transition" from Joop
to Bret or Sotiris is to just fire Joop immediately.  Just that simple.
If I were Joop I would expect this to occur at this juncture and after
this much time has passed.

  If Joop after being fired does not wish to contribute and cooperate
in turning over the previous Web Page data from ICANNATLARGE.COM
to Bret or Sotiris, than fine.  We can recreate most of it without too
much problem or taking up too much time either...

James Love wrote:

> Sotiris,
>
>       I think we were ready to appoint you the webmaster a week or two ago,
> but some support evaporated after some of your blasts at various panel
> members....  and I think understandably there is an interest in having the
> webmaster job more or less depoliticized.   At this point, we have
> recommended have Brett be the formal webmaster, with the idea that there
> will be different volunteers who help out on the site.  Of course, we have
> to get this motion approved by the panel before anything happens.  Right now
> Joop is the webmaster.  It's my fault that you didn't get a private note or
> a cc on this, and I apologize.  But we are also still not at the point where
> the rest of the web management stuff is decided.  Right now we are trying to
> agree on a transition from Joop for control of the site, to non-panel
> members for a little continuity..
>
> Jamie
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Jamie,
> >>
> >>Before you begin questioning the relationship between established user
> >>organizations and ICANN, you might want to ask if your own group, without any
> >>organizational documents, without even a mission statement, bylaws or
> >>charter, even qualifies as an organization suitable for recognition as an
> >>at-large structure.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps a dis-organization, then?  Especially of late.
> >
> > Before I received this email from Danny, I was about to post a link to the list
> > directing all of you to a mock-up web site which Hans requested I put together
> > (even though I had ALREADY set up the PHPNuke site for all of you to view a
> > couple months ago!  Remember that ladies and gentlemen?!?  Check the archives, if
> > you like...).  However, having read Danny's email I stopped myself and decided to
> > visit the Panel's closed list archive for a look at how our leaders are going
> > about the business of this "organization".  Much to my surprise, I saw a motion
> > from Jamie Love (seconded by Hans Klein) to make Brett Faussett the new
> > webmaster.  No offense against Brett, but where's he been for the last couple
> > months? I didn't hear him volunteering his services when a new webmaster was
> > being sought.  Or, ( as is probably the case) is this some kind of a compromise
> > selection to placate Joop?  In any case, if this is the direction the Panel
> > wishes to take, then I wish them all the power in the world.  However, I cannot
> > for a moment understand why the WG-Web members (of which I am one) were not
> > consulted?
> >
> >
> >>As per the Committee on ICANN Evolution and Reform's Second Interim
> >>Implementation Report:  "We agree that individual at large entities should
> >>meet some "accreditation" standard, and we find the criteria and standards
> >>recommended by the Assistance Group to be an attractive list."
> >>
> >>This "list" stipulates structured, self-sustaining entities that engage in
> >>outreach and post current information about the organization's aims,
> >>structure, constituents, working mechanisms, and current leadership.
> >>
> >>1.  Your aims are not posted
> >
> >
> > To date I submitted TWO different versions of Mission Statements for this
> > organization (both several months ago) which elicited next to no comments, and
> > yet there is still no substantive work produced by the 'power elite' among us on
> > this issue.  Shameful.  This and the webmaster issue noted above are enough to
> > put off persons (such as myself) who are willing to contribute substantively...
> >
> >
> >>2.  You have no organizational structure
> >
> >
> > Oh, but we do... dis-organization.
> >
> >
> >>3.  You are not self-sustaining
> >
> >
> > If bombast and self-important bluster were the fuel of the day, I'd say we're
> > self-perpetuating rather than self-sustaining.
> >
> >
> >>4.  You have no established working mechanisms or procedures for the general
> >>membership
> >
> >
> > Why bother, that would detract from the nominal importance of our Panel
> > Members...  BTW, Danny, have you perhaps heard anything from that champion of the
> > common netizens, Satyajit Gupta?  I wonder if the other Panel Members approve of
> > his delinquency?  If not, then why are there no steps being taken to replace him?
> >
> >
> >>5.  You can't document any organizational outreach activities
> >
> >
> > Well, you might have something there.  Perhaps Richard Henderson can fill us in
> > on the progress towards the 100, 000 membership base he promised.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>After you get your own house in order, then feel free to question the
> >>relationship of ISOC chapters to ICANN -- they at least meet the minimum
> >>criteria expected for an at-large structure.
> >
> >
> > Except for the fact that they are now a Registry operator, which puts them in the
> > gTLD constituency...
> >
> > Seriously Disappointed,
> >
> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >
> >
> >
>
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