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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership

At 12:41 AM 10/20/2002 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:

James and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  Yes, I believe that your conclusion (See bottom) is essentially
a correct one, James.  Well done!

  I earlier just posted a more direct and confrontational response to
Danny also to illustrate essentially the same point as you, James.
But I also thought while reading Danny's "Oath in disguise", how
would a resident of China be able to sign such an "Oath"?  Or
also I thought while reading Danny's "Oath", that I was standing
in front of Comrade Stalin ( While he was still alive that is!)
and avowing to uphold the Communist manifesto!  >;)

Rather obviously, I disagree strongly with Danny's line of argument, but I attribute no such motivation or imagery to him.

Besides, there is no need to date yourself. Twice, I mentioned part-time student workers in the U.C. Berkeley cafeteria, because this is the loyalty oath that they must sign - today, not just in the distant past - just for the privilege of bussing tables for minimum wage:


"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of
California against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true
faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and the
Constitution of the State of California; that I take this obligation freely,
without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and
faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter."

All state employees must sign it, and before you make cracks about California, know that many states have substantially similar oaths.

I do not contend that such oaths inherently are inappropriate, but rather that the set of people required to agree to them often is far too large.

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James S. Tyre mailto:jstyre@jstyre.com
Law Offices of James S. Tyre 310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax)
10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512 Culver City, CA 90230-4969

This man, who seems to have led a life of unrelieved insignificance,
must have been astonished to find himself suddenly putting the
Government of the United States in such fear that it was afraid to
tell him why it was afraid of him.

Shaughnessy v. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206 (1953) (Jackson, J., dissenting)


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