Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

James and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

James S. Tyre wrote:

> At 12:41 AM 10/20/2002 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >James and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> >
> >   Yes, I believe that your conclusion (See bottom) is essentially
> >a correct one, James.  Well done!
> >
> >   I earlier just posted a more direct and confrontational response to
> >Danny also to illustrate essentially the same point as you, James.
> >But I also thought while reading Danny's "Oath in disguise", how
> >would a resident of China be able to sign such an "Oath"?  Or
> >also I thought while reading Danny's "Oath", that I was standing
> >in front of Comrade Stalin ( While he was still alive that is!)
> >and avowing to uphold the Communist manifesto!  >;)
>
> Rather obviously, I disagree strongly with Danny's line of argument, but I
> attribute no such motivation or imagery to him.

  Understood.  I on the other hand am not so sure that such an
attribution is not present as far as Danny is concerned, given
his long standing professing of this line of argument of his, evident
in the archives of the DNSO GA...

>
>
> Besides, there is no need to date yourself.  Twice, I mentioned part-time
> student workers in the U.C. Berkeley cafeteria, because this is the loyalty
> oath that they must sign - today, not just in the distant past - just for
> the privilege of bussing tables for minimum wage:
>
> "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
> Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of
> California against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true
> faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and the
> Constitution of the State of California; that I take this obligation freely,
> without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and
> faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter."

  How unfortunate for these poor souls just to work for minimum wage
to be forced/required to sign such and oath.  :(

  But it should also not be surprising to know, that as an retired
Marine Officer, I too was required to swear a similar oath (Without
the reference to California of course)...

>
>
> All state employees must sign it, and before you make cracks about
> California, know that many states have substantially similar oaths.

  Perhaps so.  As far as I know such and oath in Texas is not required.

>
>
> I do not contend that such oaths inherently are inappropriate, but rather
> that the set of people required to agree to them often is far too large.

  Also understood here as well.  Many would sign such an oath and do
so falsely.  But IMHO, such an oath for an organization such as an Atlarge
is a far cry from one for a State Employee, don't you think?

>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> James S. Tyre                               mailto:jstyre@jstyre.com
> Law Offices of James S. Tyre          310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax)
> 10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512               Culver City, CA 90230-4969
>
> This man, who seems to have led a life of unrelieved insignificance,
> must have been astonished to find himself suddenly putting the
> Government of the United States in such fear that it was afraid to
> tell him why it was afraid of him.
>
> Shaughnessy v. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206 (1953) (Jackson, J., dissenting)
>
>

Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
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