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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership
At 01:41 AM 10/20/2002 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
James and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
James S. Tyre wrote:
>
> Besides, there is no need to date yourself. Twice, I mentioned part-time
> student workers in the U.C. Berkeley cafeteria, because this is the loyalty
> oath that they must sign - today, not just in the distant past - just for
> the privilege of bussing tables for minimum wage:
>
> "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
> Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of
> California against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true
> faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and the
> Constitution of the State of California; that I take this obligation
freely,
> without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will
well and
> faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter."
How unfortunate for these poor souls just to work for minimum wage
to be forced/required to sign such and oath. :(
But it should also not be surprising to know, that as an retired
Marine Officer, I too was required to swear a similar oath (Without
the reference to California of course)...
Yes, military officers are among many classes of people who must take
similar oaths. Though I have never been a government attorney, I took that
exact oath when I was admitted to practice in CA, and I did not believe it
to be inappropriate - as an officer of the Court (all attorneys are), I
have certain powers that pro se litigants do not have - but that's rather
different from a minimum wage busboy. As I indicated, my problem is not
with the oath per se, but rather that the set of people required to take it
is far too large and broad.
And that is also my problem with Danny's proposed vow, which has different
wording. Without regard to whether elected officers/directors of this org
should be required to make some sort of pledge, applying Danny's vow as a
requirement for all members clearly is overbroad. Either people will vow
falsely just to join, not a good thing, or people won't join because it (or
anything likes it) is too uncomfortable for them, also a bad thing.
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