Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

James and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  James, you and I are in full agreement on the point of loyalty oath's
for this organization or any membership organization of this type.

James S. Tyre wrote:

> At 01:41 AM 10/20/2002 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >James and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> >
> >James S. Tyre wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Besides, there is no need to date yourself.  Twice, I mentioned part-time
> > > student workers in the U.C. Berkeley cafeteria, because this is the loyalty
> > > oath that they must sign - today, not just in the distant past - just for
> > > the privilege of bussing tables for minimum wage:
> > >
> > > "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
> > > Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of
> > > California against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true
> > > faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and the
> > > Constitution of the State of California; that I take this obligation
> > freely,
> > > without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will
> > well and
> > > faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter."
> >
> >   How unfortunate for these poor souls just to work for minimum wage
> >to be forced/required to sign such and oath.  :(
> >
> >   But it should also not be surprising to know, that as an retired
> >Marine Officer, I too was required to swear a similar oath (Without
> >the reference to California of course)...
>
> Yes, military officers are among many classes of people who must take
> similar oaths.  Though I have never been a government attorney, I took that
> exact oath when I was admitted to practice in CA, and I did not believe it
> to be inappropriate - as an officer of the Court (all attorneys are), I
> have certain powers that pro se litigants do not have - but that's rather
> different from a minimum wage busboy.  As I indicated, my problem is not
> with the oath per se, but rather that the set of people required to take it
> is far too large and broad.
>
> And that is also my problem with Danny's proposed vow, which has different
> wording.  Without regard to whether elected officers/directors of this org
> should be required to make some sort of pledge, applying Danny's vow as a
> requirement for all members clearly is overbroad.  Either people will vow
> falsely just to join, not a good thing, or people won't join because it (or
> anything likes it) is too uncomfortable for them, also a bad thing.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> James S. Tyre                               mailto:jstyre@jstyre.com
> Law Offices of James S. Tyre          310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax)
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>
> "Plaintiffs also contend that parachute jumping falls within the
> right to travel protected by the Fourteenth Amendment."
>
>         Skydiving Ctr. v. St. Mary's County Airport Comm'n,
>         823 F. Supp. 1273, 1279 n.2 (D. Md. 1993)

Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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