Re: [atlarge-discuss] WG-OUTREACH 003 - Update and Action List

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Ron

Your point is well made.

I e-mailed Marc privately earlier today, but I have assured Marc that I
assume nothing and that he can obviously decide whatever he wants with
regard to his domain.

We already owe him a debt of gratitude.

I suppose you could say that I've just been setting out (in public) the good
use I think the domain could be put to.

I was hesitant to approach him individually, and put it off for several
days, but Hans and Jefsey both suggested I "find out" Marc's position so
that is what I've now set about doing.

We could, of course, use other domains - but none seem so well suited to
"mirror" and stand in "juxtaposition" to Icann's own "at-large.org".
Moreover, Icann can hardly object to us using the term "at large" which is
in worldwide usage in many spheres, and the whole point of the proposed
"www.atlarge.org " umbrella is that it is not trying to be Icann's "at
large" but the "At Large" of the whole world, subdivided into subdomains, to
allow for people just like you to organise from the grassroots upwards.

By having an "At Large" site on the "At Large" domain, representing all
aspects of the At Large of internet users, we set ourselves up as THE
internet government in exile, as the substantial opposition - and the very
name (itself superior to at..hyphen..large) is a direct challenge to Icann.

But more importantly, it can become a rallying place for all our allies...
and we can start to gather together that coalition of user groups and
individuals that Icann fears most of all.

Kind regards

Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Sherwood <sherwood@islands.vi>
To: Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; J-F C. (Jefsey)
Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] WG-OUTREACH 003 - Update and Action List


> Richard:
>
>     I do share your enthusiasm, but you did not reply to my earlier
message,
> in which I asked if you have discussed with Marc his willingness to donate
> the atlarge.org domain.  It is not unreasonable for Marc to want to make
> sure that we are going to put the domain to good use, but I think we are
> there now.   I will be happy to manage the sub-domain
www.carib.atlarge.org
> and associated mailboxes.  I am ready to start as soon as I return from
> Shanghai.
>
>     First, however, I think it is pretty presumptuous of us to assume that
> Marc is prepared to donate this domain until he offers it.
>
> Ron
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
> To: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>; "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin"
> <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] WG-OUTREACH 003 - Update and Action List
>
>
> > Comments below - hurrah!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> > To: Ron Sherwood <sherwood@islands.vi>
> >
> > > PS. I saw you discussions with Jamie. As usual in our type of mailing
> > lists
> > > there are three positions I documented earlier. People interested in
> > > structuring as an ICANN constituency. People interested in lobbying
> ICANN.
> > > People innterested in our onwselves and thinking they will overthrow
> ICANN
> > > a day.
> > >
> > > The three approaches have merits. Until today the two first one tried
to
> > > convince the other that they were the priority. Hans has eventually
> > > clarified the things in saying that can be run in parallel.
> > >
> > > Do not be afraid about Jamie's fears. What we try now has never been
> > really
> > > attempted before; except when we started the international network and
> > when
> > > Jon Postel started the ccTLDs. It will not be easy and it will
certainly
> > > lead to some fun and mission creep. The important thing is that we can
> get
> > > 100.000 people on our mailing lists.
> > >
> >
> > Now you're talking, Jefsey! Now we can mean business!
> >
> > As you say, today people seemed to recognise that we can do ALL these
> > things! What is possibly wrong with that? And it is exciting to do
> something
> > that hasn't really been attempted before! And as you say, we set our
> sights,
> > and press on, and get the 100,000 people on our lists... for a start...!
> >
> > All these things are possible. We just keep going. We think positive.
> >
> > So we begin with maybe:
> > www.vi.atlarge.org (with Ron) and www.carib.atlarge.org for the whole
> > region. We make www.argentine.atlarge.org for Gabriel (who has also
kindly
> > offered to do Spanish translations). And www.ecuador.atlarge.org with
> > Roberto. Either Judyth or Sotiris or both may want
www.canada.atlarge.org
> > and I will develop www.uk.atlarge.org . You will presumably develop
> > www.france.atlarge.org as well as shepherding the whole atlarge
> architecture
> > if it is possible? Bruce can do www.uspacnw.atlarge.org . I fugure Joey
> may
> > be interested in something like www.social.atlarge.org and I would join
in
> > with Bruce and the rest of us on www.outreach.atlarge.org ... and we
have
> > members in another 70 countries and many groups who may welcome the
chance
> > to "come in" under the At Large umbrella.
> >
> > This is the international At Large. This is the User's Net.
> >
> > The fightback continues to reclaim the web for the ordinary people of
the
> > world!
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
>
>


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