Re: [atlarge-discuss] WG-OUTREACH 003 - Update and Action List

["J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>]

At 06:21 21/10/02, DPF wrote:
> This is why I have made the offer of free incorporation and a proposed
> set of bylaws or a constitution - so that progress can be made on
> substantive issues.  Personally I don't care much where we incorporate
> or the exact nature of the bylaws as long as they are democratic and
> workable.  But what I don't want is another six months spent on them.
Dear DPF,
could you tell us what prevents you to do what I did 18 month ago and you 
documented perfectly: to incorporate nz@atlarge to unite the NS @large 
people and to represent them seriously in the @large international Congress?

Or do you really need to have us@large to be incorporated as 
icannatlage.org and to wait for the Panel to help you doing it? I do not 
understand, you fight ICANN as centralized and the first thing you want to 
do is to centralize yourself.

This does not interest anyone but those who are in the center. This is 
named nomenclatural.

> We are not going to grow this organisation much further unless we
> actually start to do things.
Decision is yours. I will not incorporate nz@large. I can give you an 
address. I can give you a site. I can give you a mailing list if you really 
need it; but I cannot register it for you, I cannot meet the Auckland 
press, I cannot set-up meetups there, I cannot dialog with ISPs, etc...

> If we start doing things then it will be much harder for ICANN to claim 
> having an at large is impossible.
True.

> We can set the agenda for ALAC and also be the vehicle which leads to 
> having an individual registrants constituency within the gNSO.
If you so like too. But better to be in the press and Govs reports as a 
large worldwide system. Actually better to co-run the DNS. We would have 
more weight.....

EIther you do it or we will all end in ISOC.

ISOC are exactly @large organization requested by ALSC. Some generous move 
is going to happen 12 months from now (at renewal): @large are going to 
take over ICANN.

It will be all over the press "Internet management is given to the Internet 
users: ICANN is made a part of ISOC. This way the Internet governance is 
eventually made homogenous, IAB, IETF, ICANN are all now part of the 
Internet Society, the operator of ".org" which funds the Internet 
governance. The US government removes itself from its direct involvement in 
the worldwide Internet".

This is what we start calling the "tecolonization" (technical 
e-colonization of the world).

Is really that what we want? US people should be interested, except that it 
will not work: a network is not only a secured and financed bit access 
system, it is also people oriented, and I doubt that such a scheme will go 
very far without strong and destabilizing objections.
jfc







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