Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] Membership Lists, Thomas Roessler, distance from ICANN

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Bruce and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  Despite Ted's errant claim at me putting forth "Spew", I have to agree
with Bruce here.  Thomas has done this "Fledgling" organization
a good service.  I thank him myself!  >;)

  This said, Thomas doing this for us, shows in a way that we are
a far cry from being able to haul our own water, so to speak.
And that is shameful...


Bruce Young wrote:

> I concur, Richard.  Thomas has ties to ICANN, but so do many of our members.
> The fact that he has hosted our forums gratis, and that no detectable
> "moderating" (i.e. censorship!) or mysterious access deletions are going on
> (as was frequent with the ALSC list, if you'll remember!), is in itself an
> endorsement of his support (Thanks Thomas!).
>
> That said, I agree that at some point when we have the hardware, manpower
> and dollars to support it, we should have our own dedicated Web and mail
> servers.  But for now, I am not concerned about Thomas' stweardship.
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> byoung651@attbi.com
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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> |  -----Original Message-----
> |  From: James Love [mailto:james.love@cptech.org]
> |  Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:07 PM
> |  To: Richard Henderson
> |  Cc: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> |  Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] Membership Lists, Thomas Roessler, distance
> |  from ICANN
> |
> |
> |  Richard,
> |
> |  IMO, Thomas Roessler has done a great job of providing lists
> |  that work, that
> |  are archived, and which are very fast, and he doesn't cause any
> |  problems or
> |  use this for any inappropriate ways.  We are very fortunately to
> |  have his
> |  help.
> |
> |  Jamie
> |
> |
> |  Richard Henderson wrote:
> |  > HelpRe-sent in more readable format:
> |  >
> |  > I'd like to re-assert that I think details of membership lists should
> |  > be limited to the elected panel, and only extended to our webmaster
> |  > or mailing-list administrator if we feel sure that they
> |  maintain a real
> |  > distance from ICANN, a corrupt organisation which in my view
> |  > cannot be trusted at all.
> |  >
> |  > This leads me to request further details about Thomas Roessler,
> |  > who I believe is administering our mailing lists for us.
> |  Firstly I'd like
> |  > to say that I appreciate his readiness to support us in this way, and
> |  > my concerns are not a personal reflection on Thomas as I do not
> |  > know him.
> |  >
> |  > However, in the context of my lack of knowledge about Thomas
> |  > and my responsibilities to our membership, I would really appreciate
> |  > input - the views of the panel and the broader membership - on the
> |  > appropriateness of Thomas as mailing-list administrator.
> |  >
> |  > My request for advice centres around this: Is he too close in function
> |  > or sympathies to ICANN for him to act as guardian of our membership
> |  > lists and mailing lists without compromise? Assuming Thomas's
> |  > personal integrity, does it send out a negative message to be
> |  seen to be
> |  > forming a "dependency" that is somehow ICANN-linked by
> |  > association with Thomas? And what is understood to be Thomas's
> |  > position on ICANN's recent abandonment of democratic representation
> |  > on the Board? Is he /has he been  prepared to denounce the abolition
> |  > of Board members elected by the At Large?
> |  >
> |  > Clearly people may belong to our organisation with many, varied and
> |  > divergent views - however I would like reassurance that we are
> |  > maintaining a clear distance from ICANN and from ICANN
> |  > sympathisers, particularly when it involves confidential membership
> |  > details and the administration of our mailing lists or website.
> |  >
> |  > OK I'm just being honest here. It's not a personal attack. I'm just
> |  > interested in our own Agenda (which must be kept separate from ICANN).
> |  > I'm concerned that Thomas may be the wrong person to administer our
> |  > communications. I'd be glad to be corrected if loads of
> |  members storm to
> |  > his defence. I just want clarification. Sorry Thomas.
> |  >
> |  > Richard
> |  >
> |
> |
> |  --
> |  ------
> |  James Love, Consumer Project on Technology
> |  http://www.cptech.org, mailto:love@cptech.org
> |  voice: 1.202.387.8030; mobile 1.202.361.3040
> |
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