[atlarge-discuss] Re: Poll (was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Recordings ofAmsterdam Meetings and PROPOSAL)

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Judyth

Vittorio has supported the idea of a vote for the whole membership on our
future direction, once the Christmas and New Year period is over. I
suggested second week in Jan. I would feel despondent if we lose someone
with your clarity of thought and sincere democratic impulse. Nevertheless,
your assessment of reality may be pretty close to the mark. We shall see.

Richard

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Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Poll (was Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re:
Recordings ofAmsterdam Meetings and PROPOSAL)


> At 01:34 +1300 2002/12/21, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> >>Thank you, and I invite panel members to SECOND the proposal if they
> >>wish.
> >
> >Richard, as a member you can run an informal Poll in the
> >resurrected  www.icannatlarge.com/forum
> >Such a poll can be announced to all 235 Forum registrants.
>
> Joop, I'm afraid I can't see that as a proper substitute for a
> vote by all ICANNatlarge.org's 1000+ registered members (or
> however many of them choose to cast a vote). Richard's point
> is that ICANNatlarge.org needs to know what its members want
> the organization to do:
>
> >>To deny the membership a vote on this would indicate to many that an
> >>installed leadership is running scared of the views of its own
> >>membership. >> I really urge the panel to give the membership the
> >>natural right to
> >> determine the future direction of the organisation on this crucial
> >>issue. >> Either we're democratic or we're not.
>
> and I'm in complete agreement with him on that.
>
> I tend also to agree with the rest of what he said but what's crucial
> is that the organization define its mission based on what its
> members want to do, so as to be able to incorporate, organize and
> get on with the job.
>
> >The website supervisory Panel has never been given the mandate to
> >determine
> >the direction of the organization without consultation of the
> >membership.
> >If they try, the members will declare their "independence" from them.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, ICANNatlarge.org doesn't have a
> "website supervisory Panel" but
>
> a) an Interim Panel elected to bring the group from a loose
> association of people talking about stuff to a real organization
> of Internet users, capable of doing something useful about lack of
> democracy in Internet administration and governance
>
> and
>
> b) a Web Working Group which is supposed to be developing
> working procedures and materials for the ICANNatlarge.org
> Web site
>
> among other WGs.
>
> In practice, it appears the Panel Chair, Vittorio, constituted
> himself the WG-Web chair and decided to make certain changes
> to the site with or without approval from anyone else.
>
> In practice, it appears that there really isn't such a thing
> as ICANNatlarge.org, despite the many thousands of person-hours
> dedicated to creating one. There are merely some individuals
> who have opinions on what ICANNatlarge.org should become -- a
> few of whom are eager to determine by democratic means, once
> and for all, what the membership as a whole wants to do, and
> another few of whom have decided to do as they please without
> reference to the membership or the need for anything like
> democracy.
>
> We are now a few days past the cutoff-date I set for myself
> to decide whether it would be worthwhile spending any more
> time and effort on this so-called ICANNatlarge.org and,
> most unfortunately, nothing in this recent revival of the
> discussion indicates that any progress will be made.
>
> I am still interested in a democratic voice for Internet users.
> I no longer believe the Panel will allow this organization to
> become one, there being absolutely no evidence that they are
> any fonder of democracy than Denise Michel and the ICANN Board.
>
> I will continue to follow the discussions a little longer in
> case I'm mistaken but ... I guess it would make more sense
> to chalk this one up to experience and see what I can
> usefully contribute in other contexts.
>
> Regards,
>
> Judyth
>
>
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