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RE: [atlarge-discuss] Re: please share with your members,and other organizations and mailings lists
I concur. From a quick review of heir site, it appears the CECUA and us
have much in common. Building coalitions with other same-thinking interest
groups is a good way to make things happen.
Portland, Oregon USA
Support democratic control of the Internet!
Go to http://www.icannatlarge.org and Join ICANN At Large!
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Richard Henderson [mailto:email@example.com]
| Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:20 PM
| To: Jon@ECPINT.com
| Cc: Alain MOSCOWITZ (E-mail); Friedrich Dittmer Public Relations CECUA
| (E-mail); Stuart Goold Secretary General CECUA (E-mail);
| Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: please share with your members,and other
| organizations and mailings lists
| If there is any way CECUA and IcannAtLarge can work together
| toward shared
| goals then it would be great to work together. My view is that there are
| many Internet User groups with diverse interests but certain
| shared beliefs.
| I see a good way forward to be the recognition of this
| multiplicity, and the
| building of some kind of umbrella where a coalition of sympathetic groups
| can meet, support issues, and signal the growing alliance of
| views in favour
| of Internet Users getting much more representation in the
| processes of the
| For example, we could create a site such as worldwideusers.org
| (or similar
| name which is available) and then have a central set of pages
| for discussion
| of key issues, as well as subdomains for different groups and localities.
| The Internet belongs to millions of ordinary people who use it, build it,
| share on it, trade on it, communicate on it, educate on it, and
| the sooner
| we build an independent internet users' movement to clearly
| represent this
| huge but diverse constituency, the better.
| I hope you won't mind if I forward this thread to the discuss list of our
| members so that they can be included in what could be a really valuable
| contact between our two organisations. An alliance and sharing
| of ideas and
| goals would be excellent, and particularly an exploration of a structure
| independent of ICANN, which would, however, still want to engage
| with ICANN
| on many issues, but on OUR own terms, using OUR own structures.
| Once again, thanks for your response.
| Kind regards,
| Richard Henderson
| (Panelist, IcannatLarge)
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Jon Thor Thorhallsson <Jon@ECPINT.com>
| To: 'Richard Henderson' <firstname.lastname@example.org>
| Cc: Alain MOSCOWITZ (E-mail) <email@example.com>;
| Friedrich Dittmer
| Public Relations CECUA (E-mail) <firstname.lastname@example.org>;
| Stuart Goold
| Secretary General CECUA (E-mail) <email@example.com>
| Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:35 AM
| Subject: RE: please share with your members,and other organizations and
| mailings lists
| > Richard,
| > Thanks for those interesting comments.
| > CECUA has touched upon some of your concerns in the last CECUA
| > www.cecua.org
| > Kind regards,
| > Jon
| > Prof. Dr. Jon Thorhallsson
| > President CECUA (Confederation of European Computer User Associations)
| > Tel: +354 899 1190
| > Fax: +354 553 4363
| > firstname.lastname@example.org
| > www.cecua.org
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: Richard Henderson [mailto:email@example.com]
| > Sent: 28. janúar 2003 22:40
| > To: Denise Michel; Thomas Roessler; Alexander Svensson; Andriamparany
| > Marius; Christian Ahlert; Edmundo Valenti; Erick Iriarte Ahon; Esther
| > Gabriel Piñeiro; Gonzalo Auza; Hans Klein; Izumi Aizu; Jakobsen Tom
| > (E-mail); Jon Thorhallsson; MOSCOWITZ Alain; Na.
| Vijayashankar; Nuria de
| > Fuente Teixidó; Peter Shane; Ramayya Krishnan; Ramboasalama Haja;
| > AddressListTooLong-Suppressed:
| > Subject: Re: please share with your members,and other organizations and
| > mailings lists
| > Sotiris
| > Thank you for forwarding this mail from Denise Michel.
| > However IcannatLarge.org has not taken a decision on any kind of
| > participation whatsoever in this "top-down" ICANN process.
| > We shall hopefully be taking a vote in the next few days, and there is
| > already some vociferous criticism of a process and agenda
| which seems to
| > have been set up top-down in order to legitimise the Lynn
| reforms and the
| > disgraceful proposed expulsion of the At Large elected representatives
| > the ICANN Board.
| > The idea that the At Large movement of Internet Users
| worldwide should be
| > structured INSIDE Icann is a big presumption on the part of
| Denise Michel.
| > It seems clear to me that this is a cynical attempt to contain
| and control
| > the role of the At large, and is an exercise in damage limitation.
| > There is a much stronger case to be made for creating a coalition and
| > alliance of Internet User groups OUTSIDE the fake Icann
| structures, where
| > can develop "bottom up" and independently as a vocal force in
| > the self-interest and discredited management of Icann, demanding true
| > democratic representation on the Board, instead of sanctioning
| the feeble
| > replacement role for the At Large as an advisory that can be ignored at
| > will.
| > The ALAC and system of RALOs is an Icann agenda which seeks to ward off
| > democratic participation and representation on the Icann Board.
| > However, there is another At Large emerging, a greater At Large, which
| > to develop its own agenda, its own structures, and - most importantly -
| > own democracy.
| > To illustrate: what democratic mandate has Denise Michel got? Who voted
| > her? Isn't she simply at the beck and call of the Icann Board?
| Isn't she
| > just laying claim "top down" to a role and an agenda which the At Large
| > itself never chose as its favoured course?
| > In contrast, there is a growing bottom up movement based on democratic
| > process, and the best future for the At Large is to create a
| coalition of
| > sympathisers who agree that the Internet is a public resource
| for millions
| > of ordinary people, and that it is unthinkable that this huge
| > should be kept from taking a critical controlling role in the
| > of the DNS - possibly without Icann at all in the future.
| > So once again, thank you for keeping our membership informed
| about these
| > self-appointing, top-down imposed initiatives : but our
| membership has not
| > agreed to support the ALAC or the RALOs.
| > To do so seems to many of us to be a legitimisation of an unacceptable
| > regime and an unacceptable agenda.
| > Richard Henderson
| > (Panelist, IcannatLarge.org)
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